ptheme compatibility & JWM tray enhancements

[JASpup]

The first image is the no-arch repository in Tahr.

The second is the running app in Slacko6.

ptheme works in Slacko, but doesn't appear a part of Tahr.

Is the ptheme app Upup compatible or is it just on Slackware?

[JASpup]

Further investigation I think the repo items are just GTK themes, which you can see in Tahr after installing.

Then I found archive.org:
https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Forum_Pets

has a .pet:
ptheme-00.pet

Which looks like a fix to some rendering error on the oldforum:
http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/puppy/vi ... da3be0e0f0

The real ptheme is the full app like my last post.

The mystery continues!

[JASpup]

I haven't kicked the tires yet, but this is ptheme in Tahr:

[puddlemoon]

ptheme is included in upupBB32

Found this one at ibiblio

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... me-0.6.pet

[JASpup]

ptheme is included in upupBB32

Found this one at ibiblio

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... me-0.6.pet

Thanks for checking.

I ran it in Tahr by copying files out of Slacko 6.3.2.
It runs similar, but not quite as functional.
I wonder if your link is the same version or better installed.

This graphic is Slacko, but what I'm trying to do is get the second menu item, "Menu: Places" in a Upup. It has a very convenient alt-desktop arranged storage feel. No idea what it is, though. Upup isn't using this configuration tool but a subtask in JWMDesk.

[taersh]

PTheme is not built into Tahr Puppy and other Puppies created by 666philb.
It might crash your Tahr's JWM stuff e.g. by the multiple tray options.

PTheme is built into the Puppies made by peebee.
His Puppies is using the JWM version with multiple trays.

The JWM files and the location of some of the JWM files differ between peebee's and 666philb's Puppies.

[JASpup]

It might crash your Tahr's JWM stuff e.g. by the multiple tray options.

interesting

From a user's standpoint, it seems like the difference is the base. example:

Tahr / no ptheme
Slacko / ptheme
Xenial / no ptheme

Tray config interface looks similar, but I see the difference.

Mainline Slacko boots to a clutterly 2nd tray. I am accustomed to 2nds in Tahr and Xenial, but those are alt-desktops.

Now 2nd trays in Bionic JWM?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=429&p=12257#p12257

I like them, but I am not using one now. They are not a must.
I need user-friendly menus, desktop launchers, and an app finder.
I would use panels more if I booted the same distro all the time.

SFS-Load is in Setup, not System or Utility. Is that obvious?

[taersh]

From a user's standpoint, it seems like the difference is the base.

No, the difference is the developer!

Bionic64 doesn't have it. Bionic32 has it. Bionic64 is 666philb, Bionic32 is peebee.
Tahr, Xenial and Bionic64 are all created by 666philb.
Slacko is not peebee, though it uses ptheme. I don't like both of them, neither ptheme nor Slacko.

The screenshot you'd linked shows the desktop of Bionic32.

SFS-Load is in Setup, not System or Utility. Is that obvious?

As far as I know in earlier Puppies it was in Utilities.
Don't know when and why this has changed.

[JASpup]

Bionic64 doesn't have it. Bionic32 has it. Bionic64 is 666philb, Bionic32 is peebee.
Tahr, Xenial and Bionic64 are all created by 666philb.
Slacko is not peebee, though it uses ptheme.

I do not go against the truth. I just wrote what is seems like.

I don't like both of them, neither ptheme nor Slacko.

If you have a better way to change multiple JWMDesk items simultenously, you have good luck. Most users don't. Presets open new ideas. Aesthetic computing makes a happier user experience. More people will use Puppy with visual and friendly improvements.

I have mixed feelings about Slacko. It's difficult to take a Puppy that doesn't load lxrandr (monitors) and lxtask (task manager) seriously.

I struggle to load browsers in Slacko.

Yet it's stable as intended and does a wonder job with visual customization, including alt-desktop support.

I would still be using Mint if it were less resource-hungry. I started in Xenial and began using Bionic for package support when I should have booted Tahr Mint.

Puppy Theme from Bionic32 runs but is not stable on my Xenial system. It's good enough to use.

The screenshot you'd linked shows the desktop of Bionic32.

Yes, I just discovered the 2nd tray in JWMDesk. I put one on Xenial. It's a significant improvement.

Maybe JWMDesk in Xenial can add "Menu: Places"? It's so good a tray feature we might be able to do without desktop drive partitions.

As far as I know in earlier Puppies it was in Utilities.
Don't know when and why this has changed.

Location is not important. I am just highlight JWMs user-friendliness (lacking), and my frustrations. Technical names aren't necessary. Organization could be better. Hurrah for finders and customization.

[taersh]

I just wrote what is seems like.

What it seems like is just not what it is.

If you have a better way to change multiple JWMDesk items simultenously, you have good luck. Most users don't.

Yes, I do have a better way. I told you about that by PM.
Though, I don't need to change this stuff sequentially, as I'm happy with my design changes done.
Why should I do change this over and over again?
I want to use and work with my OS.

I just discovered the 2nd tray in JWMDesk. I put one on Xenial. It's a significant improvement.

Instead of a 2nd tray I'm using wbar desktop panel - if I need one. There's more desktop panels besides wbar.

Maybe JWMDesk in Xenial can add "Menu: Places"? It's so good a tray feature we might be able to do without desktop drive partitions.

The best option to manipulate stuff is by doing it manually, using a text editor.
I have four (4) menu buttons in the system tray. Three of them available by clicking on the desktop.

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<TrayButton label="" popup="Standard" icon="jwm.png" border="true">root:1</TrayButton>
<TrayButton label="" popup="Musikproduktion" icon="qjackctl.png" border="true">root:3</TrayButton>
<TrayButton label="" popup="N.E.M.E.S.I.S." icon="nemesis.png" border="true">root:2</TrayButton>
<TrayButton label="" popup="Programm- und Speicherorte" icon="file2.png" border="true">root:8</TrayButton>

Each one has its own root menu.

[JASpup]

I want to use and work with my OS.

This is key. I have no productivity, but I couldn't conceive of this nice interface and system I'm looking at this moment. Configuration and the learning curve is the price of Linux.

Instead of a 2nd tray I'm using wbar desktop panel - if I need one. There's more desktop panels besides wbar.

I haven't come across wbar panels yet, unless they are the panels I use in XFCE.

The best option to manipulate stuff is by doing it manually, using a text editor.
I have four (4) menu buttons in the system tray. Three of them available by clicking on the desktop.

Each one has its own root menu.

What is the root menu? I assumed the command was part of the XML language. Trying to understand here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1658

[taersh]

Go to /etc/xdg/templates and load _root_.jwmrc into a text editor.

Right after

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</RootMenu>

insert this code

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<Include>/root/.placesrc</Include>

Download the attached file. It is a fake .gz file, so remove the fake .gz from its name.
Copy the file to /etc/xdg/templates.

Add this line

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<TrayButton label="Places">root:8</TrayButton>

to the /root/.jwmrc-tray file.

Refresh the JWM menu.
Restart JWM or enter into a terminal

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jwm -restart

Now you should have a places menu in the jwm tray.
If you would change root:8 to root:1 you will have this menu by left-clicking on the desktop.
Changing it to root:2 will give you the places menu by mouse middle-click on the desktop.

Modify the /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.placesrc file to your needs.

_root_.placesrc.gz

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[JASpup]

Ich verstehe nicht genug.

The fake gz looks like your personal XML JWM menu file.

What does the dummy do and can I use one from my system?

Go to /etc/xdg/templates and load _root_.jwmrc into a text editor.

Right after

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</RootMenu>

insert this code

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<Include>/root/.placesrc</Include>

Download the attached file. It is a fake .gz file, so remove the fake .gz from its name.
Copy the file to /etc/xdg/templates.

Add this line

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<TrayButton label="Places">root:8</TrayButton>

to the /root/.jwmrc-tray file.

Refresh the JWM menu.
Restart JWM or enter into a terminal

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jwm -restart

Now you should have a places menu in the jwm tray.
If you would change root:8 to root:1 you will have this menu by left-clicking on the desktop.
Changing it to root:2 will give you the places menu by mouse middle-click on the desktop.

Modify the /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.placesrc file to your needs.

_root_.placesrc.gz

[taersh]

Of course.

You can either edit the attached file in a text editor or use your own file.
Make sure your own file has a structure and entries like mine.

E.g.:

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<RootMenu label="Places" labeled="true" height="18" onroot="8">

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<Program label="Home" icon="folder48.png">defaultfilemanager $HOME</Program>

If so, just rename your file to _root_.placesrc and put it into /etc/xdg/templates.

If you want to have the places menu accessible by left click on the desktop, change onroot="8" to onroot="1" also.

[JASpup]

The only file I've found with "RootMenu" in /etc besides the edited _root_.jwmrc is /etc/system.jwmrc.

I am unsure the nature of your file or what it does as a dummy. Maybe it does not make my menu look like yours, but...???

What is needed in the dummy file, the minimum requirements?

Do I not have one in Mainline Xenial already?

I can see how your changes modify the tray to where clicking on "Places" activates a menu, but I need to insert the Slacko code that makes it operate just like the post graphic:

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It's a script.

Of course.

You can either edit the attached file in a text editor or use your own file.
Make sure your own file has a structure and entries like mine.

E.g.:

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<RootMenu label="Places" labeled="true" height="18" onroot="8">

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<Program label="Home" icon="folder48.png">defaultfilemanager $HOME</Program>

If so, just rename your file to _root_.placesrc and put it into /etc/xdg/templates.

If you want to have the places menu accessible by left click on the desktop, change onroot="8" to onroot="1" also.

[taersh]

but I need to find the Slacko code that makes it operate

There is NO Slacko code to make it operate.

If you had added

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<TrayButton label="Places">root:8</TrayButton>

to the to the /root/.jwmrc-tray file as I wrote and added

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<Include>/root/.placesrc</Include>

to the /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc file as I wrote, you just need to copy my above attached file to /etc/xdg/templates.
So, you will have a file /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.placesrc.

After this refresh the menu and just do in terminal

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jwm -restart

Then a menu will appear when you will click the places button/icon in your tray.

Just edit the file /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.placesrc, remove entries and add your own entries to make it having a content you want.

What's the problem by doing this?
This will NOT destroy your system, as you could easily remove all files and modifications!

[JASpup]

There is NO Slacko code to make it operate.

I just posted the script here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1658&p=12618#p12618

Your instructions create a tray button that opens your dummy configuration, but it is not the Slacko Places menu.

[taersh]

YOU NEED TO EDIT THE FILE I HAD ATTACHED.

IF YOU EDIT THIS FILE, THEN YOU CAN HAVE EITHER EXACTLY THE PLACES MENU LIKE IN SLACKO OR EVEN YOUR OWN SETUP OF THE PLACES MENU!

DO YOU GOT IT NOW!!!???

The script you referring to does nothing what you can't do by editing my attached file.

The only difference is:

- the script echoes the content at runtime/refreshing the menu
- my file is static

This is an entry:

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<Program label="'$(gettext 'Home')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/home48.png">rox $HOME</Program>

which gives a menu entry to start ROX filer opened in $HOME - which is /root.

My God! Is that really that hard to understand?

If you would replace the content of my attached file with this content from the script:

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<JWM>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Home')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/home48.png">rox $HOME</Program>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'System')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/pc48.png">rox /</Program>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Network')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/connect48.png">rox $HOME/network</Program>'
	[ -d $HOME/Downloads ] && echo '<Program label="'$(gettext 'Downloads')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/folder48.png">rox $HOME/Downloads</Program>'
	echo '<Separator/>
	<Dynamic label="'$(gettext 'Drives')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/drive48.png">exec:/usr/local/jwm_config/menu_build_places_drives</Dynamic>
	<Separator/>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Web')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/www48.png">defaultbrowser</Program>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Help')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/help48.png">exec defaultbrowser file:///usr/share/doc/index.html</Program>
</JWM>

you will have the Slacko places menu. Perhaps except this line

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<Dynamic label="'$(gettext 'Drives')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/drive48.png">exec:/usr/local/jwm_config/menu_build_places_drives</Dynamic>

not working as you would need to have the script /usr/local/jwm_config/menu_build_places_drives which is not there in e.g. Xenial, as Xenial doesn't use the JWM version from Slacko - as I stated earlier.

So: EDIT MY FILE, EDIT MY FILE, EDIT MY FILE!!!!!!!!

[taersh]

In addition to my post above:

Ok, since you are discuss this in another topic also I came to the conclusion that you perhaps had messed up your system by installing ptheme into a Puppy without ptheme. So, to make sure: my advice might not work in e.g. Xenial or Tahr if you had messed up your system by installing ptheme. The JWM handles its files different in Slacko and Bionic32 compared to Xenial, Tahr and other Puppies made by 666philb. Ptheme is using templates and after each use of ptheme it will overwrite the JWM files by the templates used. So, all manually made modifications will get lost.

PTHEME SUCKS!

[JASpup]

I followed your process. If I edit your dummy file with the contents of the Slacko script, it still won't open anything.

( There is a "Places" button but no action. )

The contents between <JWM> and </JWM> are virtually the entire file, so if I just renamed menu_build_places to _root_.placesrc, it seems like I could have done that without the dummy.

I don't expect the Slacko script to work the same in Xenial without modifications, but why doesn't it do anything?

Maybe there is something simple I am missing.

For this project, I am booting Mainline Xenial live, no pupsave, so Ptheme shouldn't be a problem.

YOU NEED TO EDIT THE FILE I HAD ATTACHED.

IF YOU EDIT THIS FILE, THEN YOU CAN HAVE EITHER EXACTLY THE PLACES MENU LIKE IN SLACKO OR EVEN YOUR OWN SETUP OF THE PLACES MENU!

DO YOU GOT IT NOW!!!???

The script you referring to does nothing what you can't do by editing my attached file.

The only difference is:

- the script echoes the content at runtime/refreshing the menu
- my file is static

This is an entry:

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<Program label="'$(gettext 'Home')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/home48.png">rox $HOME</Program>

which gives a menu entry to start ROX filer opened in $HOME - which is /root.

My God! Is that really that hard to understand?

If you would replace the content of my attached file with this content from the script:

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<JWM>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Home')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/home48.png">rox $HOME</Program>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'System')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/pc48.png">rox /</Program>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Network')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/connect48.png">rox $HOME/network</Program>'
	[ -d $HOME/Downloads ] && echo '<Program label="'$(gettext 'Downloads')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/folder48.png">rox $HOME/Downloads</Program>'
	echo '<Separator/>
	<Dynamic label="'$(gettext 'Drives')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/drive48.png">exec:/usr/local/jwm_config/menu_build_places_drives</Dynamic>
	<Separator/>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Web')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/www48.png">defaultbrowser</Program>
	<Program label="'$(gettext 'Help')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/help48.png">exec defaultbrowser file:///usr/share/doc/index.html</Program>
</JWM>

you will have the Slacko places menu. Perhaps except this line

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<Dynamic label="'$(gettext 'Drives')'" icon="/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/drive48.png">exec:/usr/local/jwm_config/menu_build_places_drives</Dynamic>

not working as you would need to have the script /usr/local/jwm_config/menu_build_places_drives which is not there in e.g. Xenial, as Xenial doesn't use the JWM version from Slacko - as I stated earlier.

So: EDIT MY FILE, EDIT MY FILE, EDIT MY FILE!!!!!!!!