Pale Moon 'portable' browsers - 32- & 64-bit

[greengeek]

Hi Mike, https://mega.nz/folder/zO52VZDQ#F3U5wZYxvb9FNy3aHvMs-w from fist post seems dead.
(Trialling any and every broswer i can find for VanillaDpup32 )
cheers!

[mikewalsh]

@greengeek :-

Good catch, Ian. Thanks for that.

I've got so much stuff uploaded, that on the odd occasions when I "re-organise" my cloud drives, I don't always remember to upgrade the respective links..... The link in post #1 is now the correct one.

Cheers!

Mike.

[peppyy]

After reading that you can update palemoon portable I thought I would give it a try.
Updated to 31.1.0 now I am back where I was before with high cpu and running hot. I need to revert again now that my computer sounds like a jet taking off.
EDIT: Updated again and 31.4.0 seems to be working much better.

[williams2]

my computer sounds like a jet taking off

This is why Puppy was created.

There was Knoppix, but,
Knoppix had no persistence
Knoppix tied up the optical drive.
Knoppix was slow and noisy (because the optical drive is slow and noisy)
Knoppix was not suitable for use as a daily driver (too slow and noisy and no persistence)

Which is Puppy's raison d'etre

Unlike Knoppix, Puppy was intended to be fast and efficient,
and able to get done at least 80% of what you need to do.
and therefor usable as your operating system most of the time.

You can improve the speed and noise by setting the maximum speed of the cd drive.

Code: Select all

eject -x 4

Experiment to find a maximum speed that works for you.

[peppyy]

@williams2 Thanks but it is a frugal install on a SSD. Think I have it under control after the last update. See edit on previous post.
It was the fans in the computer that were getting loud.
PS: My specs are in my signature

[Fenyo]

Happy Santa Claus Day, here are some retro builds;

- 29.1.0 ia32 - sse is even not requried (for PPro, PII, Mendocino core Celeron or classic Athlon/Duron, Geode LX), minimum glibc 2.12 required (Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise) or Debian 7 (Wheezy) or higher supported (usually any 32bit distro since 2012))

- 32.0.0 ia32 - sse is even not requried (for PPro, PII, Mendocino core Celeron or classic Athlon/Duron, Geode LX), minimum glibc 2.19 required, Debian 8 (Jessie or hihger supported), Palemoon 32 is a huge webcompatibility (Chromified Web) develeponment forward, many websites are working properly again. all past and future builds will be available here

- 32.0.0 3dnow - usually cpus that have 3dnow, but lack cmov instruction set ( so Amd K6-x series (k6-2/k6-2+/k6-3/k6-3+, Geode LX, some Via cpus (C3 Samuel 2 and C3 Ezra are the target cpus, but also works with classic Athlon/Duron but there are also newer builds for the latter), built under Debian 8 (the latest distro with i586 support) with clang-7. Of course it works with other 3dnow capable cpus on Debian 8 or newer 32bit Debian based distros, but this is only relevant for low-end low-clock Duron/Athlon configurations with low amount of memory, because it will probably run faster than IA32 builds. all past and future builds will be available here

- 29.4.6 sse - sse required (PIII and Celeron derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin), Athlon Xp/K7 based Sempron/Geode NX or Morgan core or newer Duron), Via C3 Nehemiah, minimum glibc 2.12 required (Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise) or Debian 7 (Wheezy) or higher supported (usually any 32bit distro since 2012))

- 32.0.0 sse sse required (PIII and Celeron derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin), Athlon Xp/K7 based Sempron/Geode NX or Morgan core or newer Duron), Via C3 Nehemiah, minimum glibc 2.19 required, Debian 8 (Jessie or hihger supported), Palemoon 32 is a huge webcompatibility (Chromified Web) develeponment forward, many websites are working properly again. all past and future builds will be available here

- 32.0.0 sse sse required (PIII and Celeron derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin), Athlon Xp/K7 based Sempron/Geode NX or Morgan core or newer Duron), Via C3 Nehemiah, minimum glibc 2.19 required, Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty or hihger supported), Palemoon 32 is a huge webcompatibility (Chromified Web) develeponment forward, many websites are working properly again. all past and future builds will be available here

- 32.0.0 unmodified (sse2 required) build on Centos 7 i686, so if it existed this would be the closest version to official, minimium glibc 2.17 required (Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) or Debian 8 (Jessie) or higher supported (usually any 32bit distro since 2014), usually for Pentium 4 and Celeron derivates (Willamete, Northwood, Prescott), Pentium M / Celeron M (Banias, Dothan) and Core2 T2xx0 series (Yonah), Palemoon 32 is a huge webcompatibility (Chromified Web) develeponment forward, many websites are working properly again. all past and future builds will be available here

And here are some other 3dnow i586/nosse/non-sse2 browser (Firefox esr, Seamonkey, Basilisk) and email client (Epyrus) builds .

[mikewalsh]

@Fenyo :-

Well; um.....I really don't know what to say! Except to once again, utter a heart-felt "Thank you!"

Shows I haven't visited this thread for a while.....

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Right, gang. We have two new 32-bit portable builds available.

• The current, 'standard' glibc-tweaked Pale Moon offering - what I'm now dubbing "PaleMoon+".....currently @ v32.0.1, and using Steve Pusser's Xubuntu 18.04 build, and.....

• A brand-new, bang up-to-date glibc-tweaked SSE-only "NewMoon" build - for those of you with really old hardware, like PIIIs, Athlon XPs, etc - courtesy of our good friend Fenyo (as listed above)......also @ v32.0.1. Many thanks, Fenyo!

Links for these are available, as always, from post #1 of this thread.

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Browsing through Fenyo's stuff at archive.org, there's an interesting-looking email client available from the MoonChild Productions team. I'm not entirely sure what this is called; much of the packaging is labelled as "Epyrus", yet once it's up-and-running you're greeted with a banner stating "Welcome to the 'Hermopolis' email client...". My guess is that this is still very much a WIP - 'work in progress'. It's a UXP-developed variant of the older-style Thunderbird, in much the same way Pale Moon has evolved from the older pre-Australis Firefox. Mis-matched labelling aside, it seems pretty good, and rather more lightweight than T-Bird itself. I'm evaluating this ATM, and will let y'all have my thoughts on it in a bit....

Mike.

[Amol]

Hello old puppy lovers !
I'm under a puppy wheezy k.3.14.56 right now, running the last palemoon.A big thank to Fenyo, Battleshooter and others for that.At start up it uses 65Mo of ram.
Best regards,
Amol.

[mmmrr]

howdy amol.
congrats,mm

[mmmrr]

what does sse stand for?

[Amol]

Hello mmmrr !
Look here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions
Amol

[mmmrr]

thanks amol..

take away:
to check for sse on computer

in terminal, i entered 'lscpu' no quotes
end of output is a list of flags
which included sse & sse2.

cheers, mm

[Null_ID]

Since Puppy and Fatdog have people who often use old hardware, I feel that you should be made aware of this one:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30909

Furboy is thinking about optimizing the Pale Moon browser for systems supporting the AVX instruction set only. Any system not supporting this set of CPU instructions will be locked out if/when this change is pushed trough. Any old system made in 2011 or before would no longer work with this browser. The community might still offer alternative builds that retain SSE2/SSE3 support used by older hardware, and Pale Moon's sister project Basilisk has promised to remain SSE2 compatible.

[Amol]

A big thank you, to Fenyo for the palemoon 33.0.1 update. Runs great like the 32.5.2.
Best regards,
Amol

[mikewalsh]

@Null_ID :-

Yeah, I saw that myself. It has the potential to exclude a LOT of 'Puppy' hardware; even this 2019 HP Pavilion's Pentium G5400 CPU doesn't have AVX.....and although I treated myself to my first new rig for a LONG while when I got it, even I don't have the readies to go daft with expensive hardware.

(I could 'upgrade' - on Socket LGA 1151 - to a Core i7, or summat similar.....but even on eBay, most of these are going for 3 figures plus. I don't consider the outlay justifiable for one single item of software.)

Looks like Moonchild wants to make Pale Moon a specialist, 'niche' browser. (BTW, I haven't visited for some weeks; when DID they change to that HORRIBLE pink & grey theme? It's awful! )

Mike.

[mikewalsh]

Well now:-

Following an exchange with Moonchild on the Pale Moon forums about this upcoming AVX issue, it appears he IS determined to go ahead with it. For anybody else who wants a different configuration to his AVX "standard", you will have exactly one option.....you'll have to compile your own browser from source. And that is no small task, it seems.

It appears that, in his usual blinkered way, he's basically catering for the Pale Moon community.....most of whom appear to be running expensive, top-end hardware. Still, you can't argue with the guy; Tobin is history, so Moonchild is now the sole developer; he also 'owns' Moonchild Productions AND pays for the forum hosting, so if he wants to go his own sweet way, that's his prerogative, I guess..!

I think we can forget Pale Moon soon.....unless Steve Pusser's builds will continue to cater for those who don't have AVX in their CPU instruction sets. We'll see, I guess. I know I'm not buying new hardware just to run a damn browser!!

Throughout history, it's been the same. Whenever any organization has a "sole proprietor", invariably that individual will always be right. You cannot argue the toss with them, because you'll lose. EVERY time.

And geeks everywhere are the same. Because they think nothing of dropping 100s or 1000s of dollars/pounds on new hardware, they tend to assume that all computer users, everywhere, take the same view as they do......and attach the same level of importance to what THEY consider "top priority". Mostly these seem to be folks in well-paid jobs with LOTS of "pocket-money"....

That's a relatively small minority, believe me!

Mike.

[Wiz57]

@mikewalsh I wouldn't even attempt to speak for Moonchild, but I get the feeling that as he is basically the sole developer,
he doesn't think it's feasible to support SSE2/3 and AVX...I don't know myself, but I do know that Roytam1 still publishes SSE browsers based on older
Tycho engine of Mozilla, ported from Win7 and later targeted code base! I read the Palemoon forum often, but have never joined/posted to it...
same with the MSFN forum where Roytam1 announces his releases. I've been using Steve Pusser's Debian GTK2 32 bit builds on my old Acer Aspire One
netbook for what seems like forever...I don't use a built-in updater, just download a new DEB when released and install it just like you would a pet.
One final observation...may or may not be relevant...there is STILL some animosity from some of the Palemoon forum members and the group at MSFN,
namely because Roytam1 continues to backport PM source updates to Windows XP and even earlier! This whole AVX thing "could be" another attempt
at circumventing Roytam1's efforts, since Tobin was banned about a year or more ago, and then Tobin poisoned the source/build repo! That really
ticked Moonchild off, and for a while Moonchild didn't say much negative about MSFN...but I notice other members derogatory postings about MSFN!
Just a bit of food for thought.

[rolandradio]

Happy Santa Claus Day, here are some retro builds;

• 29.4.6 sse - sse required (PIII and Celeron derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin), Athlon Xp/K7 based Sempron/Geode NX or Morgan core or newer Duron), Via C3 Nehemiah, minimum glibc 2.12 required (Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise) or Debian 7 (Wheezy) or higher supported (usually any 32bit distro since 2012))

• 32.0.0 sse sse required (PIII and Celeron derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin), Athlon Xp/K7 based Sempron/Geode NX or Morgan core or newer Duron), Via C3 Nehemiah, minimum glibc 2.19 required, Debian 8 (Jessie or hihger supported), Palemoon 32 is a huge webcompatibility (Chromified Web) develeponment forward, many websites are working properly again. all past and future builds will be available here

• 32.0.0 sse sse required (PIII and Celeron derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin), Athlon Xp/K7 based Sempron/Geode NX or Morgan core or newer Duron), Via C3 Nehemiah, minimum glibc 2.19 required, Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty or hihger supported), Palemoon 32 is a huge webcompatibility (Chromified Web) develeponment forward, many websites are working properly again. all past and future builds will be available here

And here are some other 3dnow i586/nosse/non-sse2 browser (Firefox esr, Seamonkey, Basilisk) and email client (Epyrus) builds .

Thanks Fenyo ! Nice links