Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Moderator: BarryK

Post Reply
scsijon
Posts: 207
Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:11 am
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 19 times

Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by scsijon »

Re your blog> easy.sfs internationalized, langpack PETs abandoned.
Can you add both Japanese and Hangugeo (South Korean) please, I know of a 'few' users of easyos in both of those countries that use it.

User avatar
don570
Posts: 729
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 130 times

Re: Languages in kirkstone

Post by don570 »

BarryK wrote:

I was considering shipping EasyOS with a 'nls.sfs' file with all translations, so a kind of "super langpack". You would download this separately and include it in the SFS layers and hence have translations. However, there are many complications with that approach, so decided to go for simplicity; all translations builtin to easy.sfs.

Fatdog64 uses a international language SFS and it works well.
https://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/sfs/8 ... ls_813.sfs

It adds Chinese and other Asian languages.
___________________________________________

Last edited by don570 on Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
BarryK
Posts: 2871
Joined: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:04 pm
Has thanked: 149 times
Been thanked: 788 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by BarryK »

Those people in Japan and South Korea would be using the English UI. Ditto, there is at least one EasyOS user in India, who is proficient in English and uses the English UI.

What those people mostly want is suitable truetype fonts loaded to display in their language when browsing or viewing/editing documents.

But yes, to reach a wider audience in the Asian countries, it will be better have have translated UIs.

I have setup woofQ so that it builds a "nls-<version>.sfs", with every translation that can be found, so that option is still there.

I think will stay with the cutdown translations builtin to easy.sfs, fully explore that format, maybe later have a go at a separate nls*sfs

User avatar
ally
Posts: 189
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:14 am
Has thanked: 120 times
Been thanked: 82 times
Contact:

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by ally »

@icake is doing great work on translating builds and language packs for chinese users

https://sourceforge.net/projects/icakec ... guagepets/

https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux ... repository

https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux ... ese_Builds

:)

User avatar
don570
Posts: 729
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 130 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by don570 »

Shinobar made a Japanese language pack for Ubuntu Lucid that is 13 megs.
Perhaps it contains other Asian fonts???
https://sakurapup.com/puppylinux/quicks ... pq-0.5.pet

__________________________________

icake made Chinese language pets

https://sourceforge.net/projects/icakec ... uage-Pets/

The easy dunfell version is bigger than normal ---> 7.3 megs
Maybe it has some mo files???

https://sourceforge.net/projects/icakec ... t/download
_______________________________________________________

Last edited by don570 on Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
don570
Posts: 729
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 130 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by don570 »

Note that simply adding the ttf fonts to a Puppy will only show a document correctly
and allow a word processor to input the characters. Barry demands more that that.
___________________________________________________

User avatar
BarryK
Posts: 2871
Joined: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:04 pm
Has thanked: 149 times
Been thanked: 788 times

Re: Languages in kirkstone

Post by BarryK »

don570 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:45 pm
BarryK wrote:

I was considering shipping EasyOS with a 'nls.sfs' file with all translations, so a kind of "super langpack". You would download this separately and include it in the SFS layers and hence have translations. However, there are many complications with that approach, so decided to go for simplicity; all translations builtin to easy.sfs.

Fatdog64 uses a international language SFS and it works well.
https://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/sfs/8 ... ls_813.sfs

It adds Chinese and other Asian languages.
___________________________________________

I looked at that sfs, curious that it is so small, so downloaded it and looked inside.

My nls sfs is 189MB, the fatdog one is 90.7MB. Mine has zstd compression, fatdog is xz compression.
xz will achieve a slightly smaller size.

But the main reason the fatdog sfs is small is that it is very cutdown.

Libreoffice has a huge number of translations, but fatdog has cut it down to only de es fr it pl.

The .mo files in /usr/share/locale are also pretty cutdown.

User avatar
don570
Posts: 729
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 130 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by don570 »

BarryK wrote:

fatdog has cut it down to only de es fr it pl

I was using fatdog64 last night to make translations for my alarm program - ptmtimer
and there seemed to be lots of mo files for the common languages such as Russian and simplified Chinese.
It actually made the menus hard to use because I don't know these languages (especially Rox Filer!!). Momanager is fortunately all English.
_____________________________________________________--

User avatar
BarryK
Posts: 2871
Joined: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:04 pm
Has thanked: 149 times
Been thanked: 788 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by BarryK »

don570 wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:42 pm
BarryK wrote:

fatdog has cut it down to only de es fr it pl

I was using fatdog64 last night to make translations for my alarm program - ptmtimer
and there seemed to be lots of mo files for the common languages such as Russian and simplified Chinese.
It actually made the menus hard to use because I don't know these languages (especially Rox Filer!!). Momanager is fortunately all English.
_____________________________________________________--

I saw your bug report about momanager in fatdog:

viewtopic.php?t=8033

I have been very intensely editing momanager in easyOS, and have discovered lots of bugs.

The one you have reported, momanager in easyOS likely has the same problem. I have added it to the to-do list.

User avatar
don570
Posts: 729
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 130 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by don570 »

The one you have reported, momanager in easyOS likely has the same problem.

I have done translations in Easy OS and Momanager seemed OK.
I'll check again and report back.
_____________________________________________________

User avatar
don570
Posts: 729
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 130 times

momanager versions - older is better

Post by don570 »

BarryK wrote:

I saw your bug report about momanager in fatdog:

viewtopic.php?t=8033

I have been very intensely editing momanager in easyOS, and have discovered lots of bugs.

The one you have reported, momanager in easyOS likely has the same problem. I have added it to the to-do list.

I did a check of the two versions of momanager in Easy OS and I found that

1) new version (momanager) has the same problem I spotted in fatdog64
2) old version (momanager0) works well!! :thumbup2:

I reported this on fatdog64 page as well --->
viewtopic.php?p=81549#p81549
_________________________________________________

The big problem with Easy OS 4.5.5 and 4.5.4 is the bad wacom graphics driver.
I reported this
viewtopic.php?p=79827#p79827

Note that in Easy OS 4.5.3 I didn't have any problem using my tablet so something strange creeped in :roll: .
____________________________________________________________________

User avatar
BarryK
Posts: 2871
Joined: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:04 pm
Has thanked: 149 times
Been thanked: 788 times

Re: Need Japanese and S.Korean languages in kirkstone

Post by BarryK »

I have been posting to my blog recently, major changes to momanager for the upcoming Kirkstone-series.

I have used the old momanager0 as the basis. The "new" momanager may have lots more features, but I wanted to hack on code that I understood.

I wrote the original momanager0, L18L made some contributions to it. Then later on L18L and some other guys took over maintenance and added lots more features to it, and that's what we call the "new" momanager and that's the one in the pups.

Post Reply

Return to “EasyOS”