Fossapup new kernel

[bean]

Hi............ i would like to put a new kernel into fossapup64-9.5 i normally put fossapup on my 2gb usb flash drive, via rufus, then have a save file of 3gb on a partition on Windows 11,

Fossapup and previous puppy distro's have always been EXCELLENT and very fast i am at the point where i use Fossapup daily for about approx 1/3 of the day, then Windows 11 Pro for rest.

Recently i found the TV Panel in Fossapup it is fantastic and for some reason the quality is brilliant. Clear the colours great. i would probably use more if the desktop was a Gnome/KDE type i know it would increase size, thats why i love Puppy mainly under 400mb, with 85-90% of the programs i need/use is phenomenal my Windows 11 is aprox 37GB but does run well.

could someone be as kind as to show me how to Update Kernel, if possible, i have searched, but not found

regards
kenneth

[bigpup]

First question is why do you think you need to update the kernel?

Really, in Puppy Linux, changing the kernel is only needed, if something is not working.

Well, Here is what you need to do to change the kernel:
viewtopic.php?t=317

[bigpup]

if the desktop was a Gnome/KDE type

If you really want this type desktop, you would be better off using a Linux OS that is built around Gnome/KDE.
You would loose some of the features of Puppy Linux and make a huge big plotted Puppy OS.

Puppy has all kinds of tweaking you can do to the desktop, window manger look, etc......

Try using some of the configuration programs offered under menu -> Desktop.

What do you want the desktop to look like or do, that you think you need Gnome/KDE to be able to do it?

Example:
In Puppy, you cannot drag from the main menu and put a icon on the desktop, to run a program from.
But there is another way in Puppy Linux to do it.

[mikeslr]

Building an efficient and pleasing GUI:
Using Puppy Package Manager install AppFinder. See Screenshot and obtain and install the 'xfce_read-jwm.pet' from here. https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 513#p21513.
Using JWMDesk you can add an AppFinder Launcher to your Taskbar next to your Start Menu. Open Menu>Desktop>Launch. [Note, next to Launch is 'Options' which you can use to add an Accessory Tray (2nd Panel). Optionally, update JWMDesk, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 274#p32274. See that thread for the new enhancements.
Optionally, if not already present on Menu>Setup, install Pup-Control from here, https://www.smokey01.com/radky/PupMates.html. For a Screenshot see https://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=61961. IMHO, it provides as aesthetically pleasing and efficient GUI for managing your system as Linux Mints.

Add another File-manager such as xfe which can display 2 panes and a tree view, https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewto ... 101#p42101. Xfe is theme-able.

If not already present, use Puppy Package Manager to install lxterminal as it provides a much easier way to copy and paste than urxvt. Use Menu>Setup>Default Application Chooser to set it as your default terminal emulator.

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About changing kernels: Adding to what bigpup wrote, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Still newer kernels MAY provide some security enhancements. You'll find newer kernels on this Section. https://www.forum.puppylinux.com/viewforum.php?f=65. Currently on the 2nd page of that Section is a thread about firmware. Under Fosssapup64, the 'Change Kernel' application bigpup mentioned can be started by Menu>Setup>Quickpet. It provides some instructions. I never use it for the following reason:
A kernel has 3 elements: (1) the kernel, itself; (2) drivers which must be compiled for that kernel in order to communicate with hardware; and (3) firmware also needed to communicate with hardware, but not 'kernel-specific'. Puppys are built modularly: vmlinuz is the actual kernel; zdrv...sfs contains the drivers AND sometimes the firmware. But sometimes firmware is separately packaged as an fdrv...sfs. I think that's the case with Fossapup64.
The same is true with Kernel packages. Some don't include firmware. With those, using the Change Kernel application may leave you without required firmware. So you'd have to download a fdrv.sfs and rename it.
Renaming is actually pretty much all the Change Kernel application does:
it extracts the two files from the package, (1) vmlinuz-xxxx and (2) Kernel-Modules_xxx.sfs.
Truncates vmlinuz-xxx to just vmlinuz.
Renames Kernel-Modules_xxx.sfs to comply with what your initrd(?z) instructs to use. In your case zdrv_fossapup64_9.5.sfs.
If I'm going to have to rename an fdrv.sfs (to for example fdrv_fossapup64_9.5.sfs) I might as well do everything manually.

[williams2]

install lxterminal as it provides a much easier way to copy and paste than urxvt.

Maybe if you think that the MS Windows way is the easy way.

What is easier than clicking a single mouse button? (Middle click to paste.)

What is easier than just selecting the text with the mouse?

If you want to paste from the clipboard, is ctrl+alt+v that much more difficult than ctrl+v ?

Maybe "a much easier way" is a slight exaggeration.

To open a Rox window, I can press ]Super+e
To open another Rox window, I can middle click the refresh icon,
or the UpArrow icon or the home icon.
Which gives me instantly 2 Rox windows.

Or I can just oress ctrl+e twice. Or 3 times for 3 Rox widows.

Would it be better to say "a little more like the way that MS Windows does things" ?

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[mikeslr]

Yes. Like almost every current and future Puppy Linux user, I am an immigrant from Windows. So I think the 'Windows way'. And memorization isn't my 'strong suite': I think visually. And even if by constantly referring to cheat sheets of commands I somehow memorized them, only frequent and often repeated performance would establish the muscle memory making use of 'middle-click' potentially easier than using lxterminal's GUI. And my fingers don't always do what my mind tells them to.

To each his own.

[bean]

hope i did not not ruffle too many feathers...............

i shall stick to current kernel, i was merely curious, after reading somewhere there was a new kernel or one coming , I tried changing kernel on Live usb it says you cant.

Try using some of the configuration programs offered under menu -> Desktop. i have found out a couple of tweaks,
What do you want the desktop to look like or do, that you think you need Gnome/KDE to be able to do it? im not really that sure, i just noticed some distros had really modern looking/feeling
but overall Fossapup is absolutely incredible/phenomenal, I have always enjoyed using it. And imo it is the best Distro out there ( for my needs )

I shall tweak more, i will be perfect honest i did learn to use RED HAT LINUX 25 years ago and did my Linux + Comptia Certification, but i have never used since and todate remember about 10 commands.

I am struggling with memory and and not that consistant, age................. but i try, new things and tinker all the time.

shall give that xfce thang a whirl.

From my laptop (other room ) i remote desktop into my mini-itx box (lounge) all day long, without getting up, just wake-on-lan the box and up she goes, Multiple RDP (Remote Desktop) sessions in Windows 11 PRO enabling multiple users on a Windows PC machine Yes it violates MS agreement its a modified termsrv file.

so will be looking for a good lightweight remote desktop program. rdesktop is a little flakey ,

[Clarity]

There have been recent forum discussions on Remote Desktop. Many/most have never used such. Like you, I have and understand its benefits for multimedia sessions for the past 2 decades.

Glad to see you, @bean using it in your home! AND to the forum

Sure others may soon also show both favor and how to use RDP in the home such that ANY RDP client can connect to PUPs & DOGs from this forum without getting up and going to that PC for its multimedia experience. The 64bit PCs we have today are more than adequate for providing this kind of connections without breaking a sweat.

BTW: I too am one of the old guys. (HA! )

[bean]

@clarity, thanks for friendly words,

i revisited RDP so will make a separate NEW post on findings etc blah, some may realise ramifications of having a PC/Machine running on say user A, and being able connect to the same PC with another user say B or even C or D or E, and they are completely independant of what you are doing, ie if does interupt whatever they are busy with vv