does puppy have a max cpu temp cutoff?

[boof]

my fosserpup64-9.5.1 drops out of X at odd times. i'm looking for a reason. normally i have kmag, Xeoma, florence, a browser and perhaps writer open in one desktop. pc is hp 250 g4. zero latency on video downloads in browser. am i doing too much for my cellero processor? i don't have an onscreen cpu temp number, but the red bars next to the date/time have been hi before. without browser, usage gets to 92%. am just exceeding processor capacity? how do i do all this on this machine?

[bigpup]

Usually high temp limit is controlled by the computers bios/UEFI setting.
Someplace in the UEFI/Bios setup is a setting for this.
The internal settings of the computer.

there is also this:
If your CPU does hit high temperatures, you could be thermal throttling.
When the CPU temp hits about 90 degrees, the CPU will automatically self-throttle, slowing itself down so it cools.

This laptop could have several processors.
Pup-Sysinfo->Mainboard->CPU can tell us what you have?

How much memory (RAM) is in this computer?

but the red bars next to the date/time have been hi before. without browser, usage gets to 92%.

That is gatotray.
Put the mouse pointer over this tray icon.
A pop up info will give you information about CPU usage, available RAM, and temp.
If you right click on that tray icon and select preferences.
There are settings for it.

If CPU usage is in the 90% range and stays there, you got too many things going on at one time.
Could be one of the programs is using up resources with something in it running in the background.
Check the browser.
Some web sites are constantly changing and running pop up videos and whatever.

How much available RAM is it showing?

If the icon bars are red in color that is suppose to be saying the CPU temp is getting too high.
Any cooling features on this laptop.
Cooling vents, fan, etc....
Check to make sure they are clean and working.

[Feek]

Hello @boof ,

with Fossapup64 9.5 on my laptop, the cpu usage went higher and higher even when only htop was launched. Your issue seems to be similar.

What helped me was turning off of the window effects. You can try it too. Go to: menu->desktop->JWMDesk Manager->window effects; then press "stop" which stops compton. After that observe the cpu behaviour and temp with gatotray. If it helps, then go to "window effects" again and choose "remove autostart" and save changes.

[boof]

Menu>Desktop>JWM mgr> Window exists, no >window effects nor >window>effects. i do not know what you're saying. i cannot read minds, correct syntax/names are vital to me, a noob. nb nothing checked in >window area

used TaskManager to kill Crompton. looks better. thx.

[mikewalsh]

@boof :-

I'm sorry to bring this up again, but:-

i cannot read minds

Neither can we. This cuts both ways.

correct syntax/names are vital to me, a noob.

As they are to all of us. If you can't quit your habit of posting in shortened, abbreviated "text-speak", it's a miracle if you get much (if any) help at all. Many forums actively censure members for posting in this manner. We want to be able to help you every bit as much as any other member, but please try & at least meet us halfway, yes?

We'll say no more about it.

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Now; if you want to stop Compton from starting-up at boot, go into /root/Startup. You should find a script marked simply 'compton'. To disable this, rt-clk on it->Properties, and clear the 'Exec' check-boxes down the bottom. Then click on 'Refresh', followed by 'Close'. This will disable Compton from starting at boot. Okay?

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@Feek :-

It's quite possible boof's Celeron CPU doesn't fully support compositing. Celerons have always been known as budget, bottom-end CPUs.....very often 'binned' Pentiums, with a number of features disabled. Without knowing the model, it's hard to say; Celerons have been around, in many different guises, for the best part of two decades.....and span several generations.

Mike.

[Feek]

Menu>Desktop>JWM mgr> Window exists, no >window effects nor >window>effects. i do not know what you're saying. i cannot read minds, correct syntax/names are vital to me, a noob. nb nothing checked in >window area

used TaskManager to kill Crompton. looks better. thx.

@boof , use Mike's method to deactivate compositor if it is easier for you.

What I mentioned in my previous post is also possible. Just for completeness, here is the "correct syntax"

Go to: menu->desktop->JWMDesk Manager->window effects; then press "stop"

[Feek]

@mikewalsh
in fact in Fossapup there is not Compton included but Picom, which is a fork of Compton. I don't know why my laptop doesn't like it. I've encountered with it only in Fossapup (my CPU is: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2328M CPU @ 2.20GHz).

But no problem at all. I can live without a compositor .

[mikewalsh]

@Feek :-

Y'know, I suspect also that the way radky's written JwmDesk, that particular icon doesn't display unless a window compositor is detected. Roger's built a whole heap of auto-detect routines into the thing.

I used to notice when I used it with some older Puppies a few years back, that certain items just didn't display. Closer investigation then revealed they weren't actually present anyway, so that was why.....

Mike.

[bigpup]

Quickpet->Info->Fossapup updates

This will install some updates and bug fixes.

This is suppose to have a few fixes for this stuff.
They may or may not help your problem.
But you need to see, after doing the update, save, and reboot, using the updated stuff.

666philb is looking for info, if their is still issues, after utilizing the updates to Fossapup64.

[Feek]

in fact in Fossapup there is not Compton included but Picom, which is a fork of Compton. I don't know why my laptop doesn't like it. I've encountered with it only in Fossapup.

Hello,
I think I figured out the cause and found a solution for my pc.

The default behaviour of my laptop after boot (and Fossapup update ) was that the load average in htop slowly increased and never get under 1,0 (with only htop running). I was uncertain of what is happening, so I tried to turn-off the compositor. And that helped. The load average in htop setteled on 0,05 or something that low. For certainty I left the compositor deactivated.

Today I've tried to turn the Picom on again with the same weird behaviour. Then I found these 666philb's instructions about grafic driver setup in Fossapup:
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=1238

I've tried to swap the driver from intel to modesetting and after that everything seems to work well. The Picom is running and the load average remains on low values

[boof]

nb my screen is hdmi connected panansonic 58in HD4k plasma tv, circa 2010.
crompton is disabled in startup - lower cpu load observed.

processor intel celeron N3050 @ 1.8GHz 0:0 0 2160MHz
intel celeron N3050 @ 1.8GHz 0:2 1 2160MHz

/etc/X11/xorg,config below.

# eudev
# pre-constructed xorg.conf, for use by /usr/sbin/xorgwizard-automatic
#
# - special xorg.conf template to be used with udev
# - udev adds input devices that are used by the xorg evdev driver
# - however the xorg gui/cli will still be functional to change
# screen resolution, bit depth, etc..

# **********************************************************************
# Module section -- this section is used to specify
# which dynamically loadable modules to load.
# **********************************************************************
#
Section "Module"

# This loads the DBE extension module.
Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Files section. This allows default font paths to be set
# **********************************************************************

Section "Files"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/TTF/"

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Server flags section.
# **********************************************************************

Section "ServerFlags"

# Enables mode switching with xrandr
Option "RandR" "on"

# With this, Xorg talks to udev to add evdev devices
Option "AutoAddDevices" "true"

# Xorg 7.4, Ubuntu Jaunty, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE is disabled by default...
Option "DontZap" "false"

EndSection

# ===============================================================

Section "InputClass"
Identifier "keyboard-all"
MatchIsKeyboard "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
Option "XkbRules" "evdev"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104" #xkbmodel0
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
#Option "XkbVariant" "" #xkbvariant0
Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" #xkboptions0
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor Model"
# HorizSync 35-81
# VertRefresh 59-76
#UseModes "Modes0" #monitor0usemodes
# Option "PreferredMode" "1024x768" #monitor0prefmode
EndSection

Section "Modes"
Identifier "Modes0"
#modes0modeline0
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
# Driver "vesa" #card0driver
# VendorName "Unknown Vendor"
# BoardName "Unknown Board"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
# DefaultDepth 24
#Option "metamodes" "1280x800_60 +0+0" #METAMODES_0
Subsection "Display"
# Depth 24 #screen0depth
# Modes "1024x768" #screen0modes
EndSubsection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org config"
Screen "Screen0"
# InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
# InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

[boof]

fosserpup64-9.0.1; silly me, will update,

[boof]

nvmnd

[boof]

have 9.5, deactivated 'crompton', cpu usage still around 95%, running in desktop 1 Xeoma, florence, swisswatch, google-chrome and writer. some video streaming and downloads. minor occasional latency/sim. thank you all.

[williams2]

cpu usage still around 95%

You can see which processes are using the most cpu power by running htop
Htop is in the menu, or type htop in a text terminal window.
Press shift+C (uppercase C) to sort by cpu usage.

You can use top to redirect the output to a file. For example, to save top's output once a minute for 10 minutes::

top -bi -d60 -n10 -o%CPU > /tmp/top.txt

This can be useful to see the cpu usage of a process while it is being used.
For example, mpv might use more cpu power while it is showing a video as opposed to when the mpv window is minimized and not visible.

[xenial]

I decided to revisit fossapup64 as i had a meaningful amount of space left on my internal hard drive and i experienced the same issue in regard to cpu usage being rather high.
With nothing running and only the desktop the cpu was in the the 30-40% range which seemed far too high,so upon perusal of this thread i disabled picom and also the conky.

The results were significant and now fossapup runs like a charm and this oldish lappie is quiet as a mouse.
Just thought i would add my own experience into the mix.