Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Hi all,

This is my first post.
I've used Puppy Linux occasionally in the past, but now I'd like to install it on a hard drive.

Tried to boot from an USB stick on a laptop Core 2 Duo but Fossapup64-9.5 doesn't get to the coloured boot menu.
It stop at the black grub4dos prompt.

Don't know if it has to do with UEFI or not.

What do you suggest me to do?
Install another older version?

Thanks.

Edit:
The laptop has 4GB of RAM.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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For the Fossapup devs .. I was able to replicate the problem. USB boot on a Core 2 Duo Thinkpad T400 (Works, though, on i5 and i7 machines ..)
The bootinit.log:

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[WAIT4USB] TIMEOUT=4
 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
0: PMEDIA=usbflash PDRV=4b7417b5-7dba-43a0-8d78-17d7ea32036f PSUBDIR=/FossaPup64 pfix=fsck,fsckp
fdisk: can't open '/dev/mmcblk0': No such file or directory
1: PDRV= P_BP_ID=4b7417b5-7dba-43a0-8d78-17d7ea32036f P_BP_FN=
2: ONE_PART= ONE_FN= ONE_MP=
Partition 4b7417b5-7dba-43a0-8d78-17d7ea32036f not found.
6: ONE_PART=4b7417b5-7dba-43a0-8d78-17d7ea32036f ONE_TRY_FN= PDRV=

Although I am able to boot the vmlinuz and initrd from that USB/partition, the hunt for the sfs file fails due to above error.

The partition is an ext3 partition, and here is the grub entry:

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menuentry "Puppy fossapup64 9.5" {
    insmod ext2
    FOSSA_PART=4b7417b5-7dba-43a0-8d78-17d7ea32036f
    search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set  $FOSSA_PART
    echo "Loading vmlinuz"
    linux /FossaPup64/vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash pdrv=$FOSSA_PART psubdir=/FossaPup64 pfix=fsck,fsckp TZ=XXX-8
    echo "Loading initrd.gz"
    initrd /FossaPup64/initrd.gz
}

I have tried too many modifications to go into, but the result never changes.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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libertas,

How did you install Fossapup to the USB?
Give specific details.

Go into the computers UEFI setup and disable secure boot, enable legacy boot, or enable CSM.
Depends on the UEFI what options it has, but disable secure boot for sure.

Do not have any other USB drives plugged in.
Only the USB with Fossapup on it.

Sorry, I have to ask to be sure.
You are selecting the Fossapup USB as device to boot from, by changing the UEFI boot device order or selecting from boot device menu list?

The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Jafadmin,

Thanks for the testing.
What boot loader are you using and how did you install it?
Details please?
Those boot loader entries are not from a live install of Fossapup64 9.5 and the boot loader that is provided for live USB installs.

Only the Fossapup USB was plugged into computer? No other USB drives plugged in?

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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bigpup wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:39 pm

Jafadmin,

Thanks for the testing.
What boot loader are you using and how did you install it?
Details please?
Those boot loader entries are not from a live install of Fossapup64 9.5 and the boot loader that is provided for live USB installs.

Only the Fossapup USB was plugged into computer? No other USB drives plugged in?

Yep, it was the only USB. How else would one test? The bootloader is standard Grub2.
The point is this: The PSUB_DIR entry isn't getting set properly even though the UUID is known. The parameter should pass thru to vmlunuz.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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I was able to boot the fossapup iso to the machine, and had it install puppy to a clean USB. It only copied the files to the drive. Didn't configure it.

So I rebooted the iso and ran the G4D installer on the usb. When I try to boot the usb, very similar results, except this time it can't even see the usb drive it's actually booting from:

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[WAIT4USB] TIMEOUT=4
 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
0: PMEDIA=usbflash PDRV= PSUBDIR= pfix=fsck
fdisk: can't open '/dev/mmcblk0': No such file or directory
1: PDRV= P_BP_ID= P_BP_FN=
2: LOOK_PUP=yes LOOK_SAVE= PMEDIA=usbflash
2: USBDRVS= -> 
3: PSUBDIR= P_BP_FN= P_DEF_FN=puppy_fossapup64_9.5.sfs
HAVE_PARTS='sda1|ext3'
TRY_PARTS='sda1|ext3'
4: ONE_PART=sda1
6: ONE_PART=sda1 ONE_TRY_FN=/puppy_fossapup64_9.5.sfs PDRV=

This distro's init is having difficulty detecting USB drives/UUID's on pre-iSeries processors.

(The reason, I think, that the iso will boot is that it's looking for the sfs files on the loop device instead of the usb device.)

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Hi bigpup,

Please see below.

bigpup wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:33 pm

libertas,

How did you install Fossapup to the USB?
Give specific details.

I've downloaded the ISO file, verified it, and installed as usual

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dd if=iso_file of=/dev/sdk bs=4M status=progress oflag=direct
bigpup wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:33 pm

Go into the computers UEFI setup and disable secure boot, enable legacy boot, or enable CSM.
Depends on the UEFI what options it has, but disable secure boot for sure.

This is a HP NX7300 laptop and it has no UEFI.

bigpup wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:33 pm

Do not have any other USB drives plugged in.
Only the USB with Fossapup on it.

That's the only USB drive plugged in.

bigpup wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:33 pm

Sorry, I have to ask to be sure.
You are selecting the Fossapup USB as device to boot from, by changing the UEFI boot device order or selecting from boot device menu list?

Please, don't be sorry.
I'm grateful for your help.
I can add that I tried slacko7.0 and the exact same problem arose.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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I run FossaPUP64 on my Core2 without issues.

I boot the system and save the sessions on my HDD (ext4) partition. Thus, no learning curve and no change in Puppy understandings.

My method is failsafe. It embraces a newer Puppy enhancement that allows this, no matter if BIOS/UEFI. There is NO installation involved.

If there is interest, PM me.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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libertas wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:30 pm

Hi bigpup,

Please see below.

bigpup wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:33 pm

libertas,

How did you install Fossapup to the USB?
Give specific details.

I've downloaded the ISO file, verified it, and installed as usual

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dd if=iso_file of=/dev/sdk bs=4M status=progress oflag=direct

This is not "installed as usual" - by dd'ing the iso you create a ISO 9660 file system on the USB which is read-only. It will be booted like a (live)-CD - no extra bootloader involved ...

You have to change the boot device order in BIOS to boot from USB first.

@bigpup will correct me if I'm wrong ...

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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The computer is booting from USB first.

I tried Fatdog64-811.iso and it boots fine.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Try using one of these programs for installing to USB.
viewtopic.php?f=156&t=157

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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More research means things just get weirder, right? I tried making one with a new USB stick. It worked on everything. So I cloned the working one back onto the old one using dd, and tried it. Fail on core 2 duos.

The working one uses grub2 with the following entry in grub.cfg:

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menuentry "fossapup64 9.5" {
    linux /FossaPup64/vmlinuz psubdir=FossaPup64 pfix=fsck pmedia=usbflash
    initrd /FossaPup64/initrd.gz
}

Soooo? .. Try a different USB stick, maybe :geek:

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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More research means things just get weirder, right? I tried making one with a new USB stick. It worked on everything. So I cloned the working one back onto the old one using dd, and tried it. Fail on core 2 duos.

Did you even try what I posted, using a specific program designed to do installs to USB drives?
The new USB stick did not work on the computer? You say it worked on everything??
If the new USB stick did boot OK on the core 2 computer.
The old USB stick could be going bad.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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bigpup wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:54 pm

More research means things just get weirder, right? I tried making one with a new USB stick. It worked on everything. So I cloned the working one back onto the old one using dd, and tried it. Fail on core 2 duos.

Did you even try what I posted, using a specific program designed to do installs to USB drives?
The new USB stick did not work on the computer? You say it worked on everything??
If the new USB stick did boot OK on the core 2 computer.
The old USB stick could be going bad.

No! I didn't try what you posted. Why would I?

Here's the thing; If I can't get an OS to boot with grub and a text editor, that OS is a mess. If it takes a special download thingy and a secret decoder ring, it's just a toy. I don't have time to mess with toys. In the real world, booting is simple.

Yes, the new USB stick worked on everything. The "old" stick was the first stick I used. It too was a "new" stock stick. I had purchased several of the "stock" sticks as utility sticks. So ..... ALL the sticks were "new" (less than a month old). The first one I used failed on older machines. All the "new" utility sticks fail the same.

The new "new" stick was a different brand than the utility sticks. It works in all cases.

So, yes, as I stated in my post above, It might help to just try a different BRAND/MODEL of USB stick.
:twisted:

[Edit] Plus this viewtopic.php?f=155&t=2770

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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bigpup wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:57 pm

Try using one of these programs for installing to USB.
viewtopic.php?f=156&t=157

I really don't know what those programs do differently from dd.
Nonetheless, I used imagewriter do copy the image, but the result was, as expected by me, exactly the same.

I guess I'll try another lightweight distro.

Thank you all.

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libertas wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:32 pm
bigpup wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:57 pm

Try using one of these programs for installing to USB.
viewtopic.php?f=156&t=157

I really don't know what those programs do differently from dd.
Nonetheless, I used imagewriter do copy the image, but the result was, as expected by me, exactly the same.

I guess I'll try another lightweight distro.

Thank you all.

Thank you for leaving. :thumbup:
It is interesting that those of us who are familiar with the fact that Puppys are designed to run a 'frugal installs' which most installer applications can't handle can get Puppys not only to boot but to run rings around other distros while experts who can't follow advice and insist on doing things their way can't even get Puppys to boot.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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This is a fact of life with Puppy Linux.

No single specific version of Puppy will work on every possible computer.
That is why there are several versions of Puppy.

Usually it is some kind of hardware support issue.

The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
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You know, when trying to troubleshoot a problem and figure out how to fix it.
Trying different ideas, that may or may not work, also provides clues to what may be causing the problem.

dd commands are very easy to get wrong and not know it is done wrong.

Telling us it works with some other Linux OS, has nothing to do with how it is going to work, with Puppy Linux.
Fatdog is not Puppy Linux.

I used imagewriter do copy the image, but the result was, as expected by me, exactly the same.

That is not an installer program I suggested.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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bigpup wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:14 pm

You know, when trying to troubleshoot a problem and figure out how to fix it.
Trying different ideas, that may or may not work, also provides clues to what may be causing the problem.

dd commands are very easy to get wrong and not know it is done wrong.

Telling us it works with some other Linux OS, has nothing to do with how it is going to work, with Puppy Linux.
Fatdog is not Puppy Linux.

I used imagewriter do copy the image, but the result was, as expected by me, exactly the same.

That is not an installer program I suggested.

The problem is not about the copying of the image.
The problem is somewhere in a incompatibility between the boot process and the hardware.
There's nothing wrong with the dd command. Did you find anything strange?

unetbootin doesn't run in my distro.
rufus is for windows

But, as a last effort, I downloaded the chromium based etcher and copied the image.
Same thing, same grub menu entry.

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libertas wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:15 pm

The problem is not about the copying of the image.
The problem is somewhere in a incompatibility between the boot process and the hardware.
There's nothing wrong with the dd command. Did you find anything strange?

unetbootin doesn't run in my distro.
rufus is for windows

But, as a last effort, I downloaded the chromium based etcher and copied the image.
Same thing, same grub menu entry.

Do me a favor, if you will. Go here, and follow these instructions to create a boot stick. Let me know if it boots to a grub menu for you.

If it does, pop open the iso for whatever puppy version you want to run and move the .sfs, initrd.gz, and vmlinuz to a directory on the stick you created, and see if you can get it to boot by copying the sample boot entries in the grub.cfg.

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Well, this thread generates a bunch of issues:

What do we know about booting Puppys? So I decided to review the posts and realized how difficult it is to find them. Under the "Instructional HOW TO Section" there are posts under both "Boot' and 'Install'. Maybe rockedge or someone could reorganize them placing those having to do with Booting Puppys into Boot; and leaving "Install" for those posts relating to "Installing Applications"? But even more important than that, Is there any way to make Posts a "Sticky"? The Forum is only about a year old and already fundamental information --that which everyone, but especially newbies, need to know-- is being buried under posts regarding specific 'hints' for dealing with the uncommon problem.

FWIW, my opinion is that the lead post of the Boot Section should be bigpup's "USB installer programs 0ther OS's use to install Puppy to USB", viewtopic.php?p=528#p528 which is now the 5th post from the Top in the "Installer" Section.
Alternatively, darry19662018's post, "Puppy Linux Install Howto", viewtopic.php?p=171#p171 should be first with bigpup's 2nd. "Puppy Linux install Howto" is also in the "Install" Section, fallen to 4th position.

One or the other should be edited to include a link to USBImager, viewtopic.php?p=21506#p21506 which Grey has only recently brought to our attention. [Alternatively, another Sticky should be added. What's important to note about USBImager is that not only does it come recommended but that its website reveals that it burn ".img, .bin, .raw, .iso, .dd, .gz, .bz2, .xz, .zst, PKZIP and ZIP64" to a USB-Stick and has been packaged so that it can be run from "Windows, Linux, Mac, and even Rasberry Pie". That should make it the first tool to recommend to someone trying to 'get from there to here."

Which brings me back to the specific problem raised by libertas and confirmed by jafadmin to exists: The inability to burn fossapup to a USB-Stick on a Core 2 Duo computer. I'll note that Grey brought USBImager to our attention on the Fossapup thread as a tool which has been used successfully.

For a program to work 'the stars must align': the program must function under the operating system and both must properly communicate with the hardware. I note that libertas also tried slacko7.0 and Fatdog64-811.iso, He was unsuccessful with the former but successful with the latter. Fatdog is created using a different woof version. I think by now we would have received reports of difficulty burning Bionicpup or any Puppy slightly older than Fossapup to a USB-Stick with a Core 2 Duo. But it would be nice to have confirmation that there isn't such problem. But that and jafadmin's report "This distro's init is having difficulty detecting USB drives/UUID's on pre-iSeries processors" does suggest the possibility that something has changed in woof but not for the better.

So, to answer the question libertas asked in his first post: What do you suggest me to do?
Install another older version? Yes, try Bionicpup64.

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@mikeslr

It is extremely important to note that "making a boot disk" is a completely different task from "installing an OS".

Step 1) Make a functional boot disk
Step 2) Install OS on a functional boot disk

For this reason, I created a compressed 8gb uefi/bios boot disk image in the HowTo "Booting" section. Image that onto a usb stick and see if the stick will boot to the grub menu. If the machine won't boot to the grub menu, it obviously won't boot an OS from that media.

Once the "booting" is sorted out, then you can busy yourself with installing various and sundry OS's on it. :thumbup2:

Using that boot disk image, FossaPup 9.5 will boot on older Core 2 machines if the image is burned onto a Sandisk USB stick. If the image is burned onto a Acme Bargain Bin USB stick, it will boot to grub, but won't boot FossaPup.

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Why install any modern PUP/DOG? This has become very foreign in my understanding.

I want my distro to boot to desktop, give me expected performance and allow persistence (session saves).

Since the work of the developers and the ability of the work of @Gyrog, there is NO need to install in order to have all the glory of PUP/DOG operations. There is no need to do anything other than download your ISO and boot it directly, today.

Puppy Linux has ALWAYS been a LIve distro. We can boot it via its ISO or we can extract somewhere and then boot it. It still runs exactly the same way, in RAM...Live!

The problems I see here appear to be attempts at an unnecessary Frugal install. There is no advantage anymore to frugal now that the developers have made minor updates to allow OOTB booting of your ISO.

If there is emotional attachment for preference that is one thing, but if your intent is to get PUP to desktop, the ISO method gives all of PUP's glory without the need to frugal or even install.

Question

  • So is the ISO method a forum "Boot section" candidate or a forum "Install section" candidate?

Remember, this ability is what has been added to the modern PUPs for our benefit to make things even more simple to get PUPs/DOGs to desktop...quickly.

P.S. I tested and run a Core2 with no issues for the several PUPs mentioned in this thread using the ISO boot approach. Has anyone other than myself with Core2 DUOs tried the SG2D method?

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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@Clarity The work I am doing can't be done booted as an ISO. A frugal install is needed to properly run internet exposed web servers that are based on a "modern" Puppy Linux.

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Clarity wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:25 am

If there is emotional attachment for preference that is one thing, but if your intent is to get PUP to desktop, the ISO method gives all of PUP's glory without the need to frugal or even install.

Question

  • So is the ISO method a forum "Boot section" candidate or a forum "Install section" candidate?

1) Accusing those who disagree with you of being "emotional" doesn't help your argument at all.
2) Imaging an iso onto a USB stick creates a "read only" iso9660 USB stick, and all the noobs come here wanting to know why they can't "put their savefile" on said usb stick.

Your preferred method REQUIRES two pieces of storage to run a puppy. The BOOT MEDIA (iso9660) and the STORAGE MEDIA (r/w disk). The vast majority of computer users prefer to do their computing on a less complicated single media platform.

The ISO method belongs in the "How to boot a CDROM (and where the heck do I put my savefile? :? )" section.

(maybe now you can grock the arcane beauty of the "pfix=ram" boot parameter ;) )

The whole concept of Puppy Linux is "a full r/w computer system on a portable thumbdrive". I can have an 8gb USB thumbdrive and boot a complete OS on computers that have no CDROM drive or harddisk. I can boot my puppy toolbox on any x86 machine and analyze and fix it, and leave no trace. THAT is what puppy is about.

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WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DISAGREEMENT? (Your point #1.)

Not me. If that statement is twisted in thought, I can see how you might arrive at that. So to help you, I can change it to satisfy your understanding. We, I, all are mere people trying as best we can to communicate in an objective manner here...I hope.

BTW, how are YOU getting an ISO9660 file system. The USB is NOT formatted as such. So, again, it appears a mis-statment or maybe some error in generating the USB. Could you post what fdisk shows for the SG2D USB?

Gparted of SG2D.jpg
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On my Core2, I have 14 PUPs/DOGs and a remaster that I boot, at will, from the above USB. And I can save-sessions anywhere on the PC I choose in the same manner as I always have with all past PUPs.

Let's see if we can help you get past that mis-statement to an accurate one which could be helpful for you.

There is a misunderstanding in what you posted and I am willing to help. Other too, maybe.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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libertas wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:34 pm

Hi all,

This is my first post.
I've used Puppy Linux occasionally in the past, but now I'd like to install it on a hard drive.

Tried to boot from an USB stick on a laptop Core 2 Duo but Fossapup64-9.5 doesn't get to the coloured boot menu.
It stop at the black grub4dos prompt.

Don't know if it has to do with UEFI or not.

What do you suggest me to do?
Install another older version?

Thanks.

Edit:
The laptop has 4GB of RAM.

Does this do anything for you?

How do I get out of grub prompt?
Type normal , hit Enter, and then tap ESC until the menu is displayed.
Hitting ESC at this point won't drop you to the grub command prompt (so don't worry about hitting ESC too many times).

The things you do not tell us, are usually the clue to fixing the problem.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be older.
This is not what I expected :o

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Jafadmin wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:47 pm
libertas wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:15 pm

The problem is not about the copying of the image.
The problem is somewhere in a incompatibility between the boot process and the hardware.
There's nothing wrong with the dd command. Did you find anything strange?

unetbootin doesn't run in my distro.
rufus is for windows

But, as a last effort, I downloaded the chromium based etcher and copied the image.
Same thing, same grub menu entry.

Do me a favor, if you will. Go here, and follow these instructions to create a boot stick. Let me know if it boots to a grub menu for you.

If it does, pop open the iso for whatever puppy version you want to run and move the .sfs, initrd.gz, and vmlinuz to a directory on the stick you created, and see if you can get it to boot by copying the sample boot entries in the grub.cfg.

Thanks for trying to help, but that image is 7.3GB and my available USB stick is only 4GB.

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Well, I've read the many posts that have been written and I'm really confused.

1. Are the puppy images (slacko64-7.0.iso, fossapup64-9.5.iso) hybrid USB and ISO, i.e., meant to be boot by USB sticks and cd-roms, respectively?
2. If they are meant to be boot by an USB stick, why are they not booting in my old computer, just like dozens of other operating systems, not only Linux?
3. Yes or no, are these images built to be able to be installed on hard disks?
4. If these images are read-only, why are these images not built with some other RW partition in order for data to be saved?

Can someone please point me to some page that writes about the differences between the several ways to save data, what do they mean and how to accomplish them?

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Re: Fossapup64-9.5 unable to boot Core 2 Duo

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Hi @libertas

Answering your questions:
1. Yes
2. Suspect the writing processor could be the culprit. How did you create the other OSes to a bootable USB?
3. If you mean, can you open, extract the contents to folder, change your machine's boot stanza and boot from the HDD via the HDD's boot manager; then YES
4. When you say read-only, what exactly are you referring to? That has been tossed around by couple members but I cannot ID why this keeps coming up and what is creating them??? :roll:

In most cases, members across the forum who mention "save" are referring to what WILL occur when you are ready to shutdown your PC. In pristine boots, at shutdown, you will be asked if you want to save all the changes you may have made while running your PUPPY or DOG.

To Help
Later, I will post on a different thread an USB image from my Core2 DUO that will contain the 2 ISOs files you mention. This should make life simple as you will merely

  1. boot the USB, select which you want to start your PC and watch that PUP emerge on your desktop

  2. At completion of using that booted PUP, you will be asked if you want to save your work

And, in your future with PUPs you will merely add the simple ISO file to the USB and boot it without changing anything.

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