FocalPup32 (UPupFF+D-20.12) FocalFossa+Debian Woof-CE build

[peebee]

Update:
5a7b72a3df5e060f2377a42e1f669d5b UPupFF+D-20.12+5.iso
see post #1

[perdido]

Virtualbox SFS for FocalPup32
viewtopic.php?p=27639#p27639

[perdido]

Nvidia video driver version 340.108 for FocalPup32 kernel 5.4.81 PET

nvidia-340.108_k5.4.81_x86.pet
md5 5934b148bdbb507a4ffcb6f06671ea30
Size 60MB

Install the PET and reboot.

Supports many older nvidia cards, here is the list

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NVIDIA TITAN Series:

GeForce GTX TITAN, GeForce GTX TITAN Black, GeForce GTX TITAN Z
GeForce 800M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTX 880M, GeForce GTX 870M, GeForce GTX 860M, GeForce GTX 850M, GeForce 845M, GeForce 840M, GeForce 830M, GeForce 825M, GeForce 820M, GeForce 810M
GeForce 700 Series:

GeForce GTX 780 Ti, GeForce GTX 780, GeForce GTX 770, GeForce GTX 760, GeForce GTX 760 Ti (OEM), GeForce GTX 750 Ti, GeForce GTX 750, GeForce GTX 745, GeForce GT 740, GeForce GT 730, GeForce GT 720, GeForce GT 710, GeForce GT 705
GeForce 700M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTX 780M, GeForce GTX 770M, GeForce GTX 765M, GeForce GTX 760M, GeForce GT 755M, GeForce GT 750M, GeForce GT 745M, GeForce GT 740M, GeForce GT 735M, GeForce GT 730M, GeForce GT 720M, GeForce GT 710M, GeForce 720M, GeForce 710M, GeForce 705M
GeForce 600 Series:

GeForce GTX 690, GeForce GTX 680, GeForce GTX 670, GeForce GTX 660 Ti, GeForce GTX 660, GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST, GeForce GTX 650 Ti, GeForce GTX 650, GeForce GTX 645, GeForce GT 645, GeForce GT 640, GeForce GT 635, GeForce GT 630, GeForce GT 620, GeForce GT 610, GeForce 605
GeForce 600M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTX 680MX, GeForce GTX 680M, GeForce GTX 675MX, GeForce GTX 675M, GeForce GTX 670MX, GeForce GTX 670M, GeForce GTX 660M, GeForce GT 650M, GeForce GT 645M, GeForce GT 640M, GeForce GT 640M LE, GeForce GT 635M, GeForce GT 630M, GeForce GT 625M, GeForce GT 620M, GeForce 610M
GeForce 500 Series:

GeForce GTX 590, GeForce GTX 580, GeForce GTX 570, GeForce GTX 560 Ti, GeForce GTX 560 SE, GeForce GTX 560, GeForce GTX 555, GeForce GTX 550 Ti, GeForce GT 545, GeForce GT 530, GeForce GT 520, GeForce 510
GeForce 500M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTX 580M, GeForce GTX 570M, GeForce GTX 560M, GeForce GT 555M, GeForce GT 550M, GeForce GT 540M, GeForce GT 525M, GeForce GT 520M, GeForce GT 520MX
GeForce 400 Series:

GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420, GeForce 405
GeForce 400M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTX 485M, GeForce GTX 480M, GeForce GTX 470M, GeForce GTX 460M, GeForce GT 445M, GeForce GT 435M, GeForce GT 425M, GeForce GT 420M, GeForce GT 415M, GeForce 410M, GeForce 405M
GeForce 300 Series:

GeForce GT 340, GeForce GT 330, GeForce GT 320, GeForce 315, GeForce 310
GeForce 300M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTS 360M, GeForce GTS 350M, GeForce GT 335M, GeForce GT 330M, GeForce GT 325M, GeForce GT 320M, GeForce 320M, GeForce 315M, GeForce 310M, GeForce 305M
GeForce 200 Series:

GeForce GTX 295, GeForce GTX 285, GeForce GTX 280, GeForce GTX 275, GeForce GTX 260, GeForce GTS 250, GeForce GTS 240, GeForce GT 230, GeForce GT 240, GeForce GT 220, GeForce G210, GeForce 210, GeForce 205
GeForce 200M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTX 285M, GeForce GTX 280M, GeForce GTX 260M, GeForce GTS 260M, GeForce GTS 250M, GeForce GT 240M, GeForce GT 230M, GeForce GT 220M, GeForce G210M, GeForce G205M
GeForce 100 Series:

GeForce GT 140, GeForce GT 130, GeForce GT 120, GeForce G100
GeForce 100M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce GTS 160M, GeForce GTS 150M, GeForce GT 130M, GeForce GT 120M, GeForce G 110M, GeForce G 105M, GeForce G 103M, GeForce G 102M
GeForce 9 Series:

GeForce 9800 GX2, GeForce 9800 GTX/GTX+, GeForce 9800 GT, GeForce 9600 GT, GeForce 9600 GSO, GeForce 9600 GSO 512, GeForce 9600 GS, GeForce 9500 GT, GeForce 9500 GS, GeForce 9400 GT, GeForce 9400, GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 9300 GE, GeForce 9300 SE, GeForce 9300, GeForce 9200, GeForce 9100
GeForce 9M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce 9800M GTX, GeForce 9800M GTS, GeForce 9800M GT, GeForce 9800M GS, GeForce 9700M GTS, GeForce 9700M GT, GeForce 9650M GT, GeForce 9650M GS, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce 9600M GS, GeForce 9500M GS, GeForce 9500M G, GeForce 9400M G, GeForce 9400M, GeForce 9300M GS, GeForce 9300M G, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9100M G
GeForce 8 Series:

GeForce 8800 Ultra, GeForce 8800 GTX, GeForce 8800 GTS 512, GeForce 8800 GTS, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GS, GeForce 8600 GTS, GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8600 GS, GeForce 8500 GT, GeForce 8400 GS, GeForce 8400 SE, GeForce 8400, GeForce 8300 GS, GeForce 8300, GeForce 8200, GeForce 8100 /nForce 720a
GeForce 8M Series (Notebooks):

GeForce 8800M GTX, GeForce 8800M GTS, GeForce 8700M GT, GeForce 8600M GT, GeForce 8600M GS, GeForce 8400M GT, GeForce 8400M GS, GeForce 8400M G, GeForce 8200M G, GeForce 8200M
Quadro Series:

Quadro K6000, Quadro K5200, Quadro K5000, Quadro K4000, Quadro K4200, Quadro K2200, Quadro K2000, Quadro K2000D, Quadro K620, Quadro K600, Quadro K420, Quadro 6000, Quadro 5000, Quadro 4000, Quadro 2000, Quadro 2000D, Quadro 600, Quadro 410, Quadro 400
Quadro Series (Notebooks):

Quadro K5100M, Quadro K5000M, Quadro K4100M, Quadro K4000M, Quadro K3100M, Quadro K2100M, Quadro K3000M, Quadro K2000M, Quadro K1100M, Quadro K1000M, Quadro K610M, Quadro K510M, Quadro K500M, Quadro 5010M, Quadro 5000M, Quadro 4000M, Quadro 3000M, Quadro 2000M, Quadro 1000M
Quadro FX Series:

Quadro CX, Quadro FX 370, Quadro FX 370 Low Profile, Quadro FX 380, Quadro FX 380 Low Profile, Quadro FX 570, Quadro FX 580, Quadro FX 1700, Quadro FX 1800, Quadro FX 3700, Quadro FX 3800, Quadro FX 4600, Quadro FX 4700 X2, Quadro FX 4800, Quadro FX 5600, Quadro FX 5800
Quadro FX Series (Notebooks):

Quadro FX 3800M, Quadro FX 3700M, Quadro FX 3600M, Quadro FX 2800M, Quadro FX 2700M, Quadro FX 1800M, Quadro FX 1700M, Quadro FX 1600M, Quadro FX 880M, Quadro FX 770M, Quadro FX 570M, Quadro FX 380M, Quadro FX 370M, Quadro FX 360M
Quadro NVS Series:

Quadro NVS 290, Quadro NVS 295, NVS 510, NVS 315, NVS 310, NVS 300, Quadro NVS 420, Quadro NVS 450
Quadro NVS Series (Notebooks):

NVS 5400M, NVS 5200M, NVS 5100M, NVS 4200M, NVS 3100M, NVS 2100M, Quadro NVS 320M, Quadro NVS 160M, Quadro NVS 150M, Quadro NVS 140M, Quadro NVS 135M, Quadro NVS 130M
Quadro Plex Series:

Quadro Plex Model II, Quadro Plex D Series, Quadro Plex Model IV, Quadro Plex 7000
Quadro Sync Series:

Quadro Sync, Quadro G-Sync II
Quadro SDI:

Quadro SDI
GRID Series:

GRID K2, GRID K520
NVS Series:

Quadro NVS 290, Quadro NVS 295, NVS 510, NVS 315, NVS 310, NVS 300, Quadro NVS 420, Quadro NVS 450
NVS Series (Notebooks):

NVS 5400M, NVS 5200M, NVS 5100M, NVS 4200M, NVS 3100M, NVS 2100M, Quadro NVS 320M, Quadro NVS 160M, Quadro NVS 150M, Quadro NVS 140M, Quadro NVS 135M, Quadro NVS 130M
ION (Desktops):

ION
ION (Notebooks):

ION
ION LE (Desktops):

ION LE
ION LE (Notebooks):

ION LE

[peebee]

Now
835e82192476134efeb5b4c2332d6e38 UPupFF+D-20.12+7.iso
see post #1

[gychang]

nice build for my 32bit laptop. I have bionicpup32 installed and light browser works well in youtube in the same laptop. However light browser shipped with this build (FPFF) does not work with youtube, even after installing some dependencies as specified. Is there a way to install and use light that was shipped with BP32 in this build? I need to use this build rather than BP32 since bspwm (which I use) in BP32 is not working as expected.

[peebee]

Is there a way to install and use light that was shipped with BP32 in this build?

Hi @gychang
The version of Light is exactly the same in both builds so it must be a problem caused by a more up-to-date library in FocalPup32.....

Run Light in a terminal and see if there are any clues from dmesg after the "failure"??

Light is getting rather old - maybe try Palemoon or SeaMonkey??

[gychang]

when starting light browser I get the following... I am now using Palemoon to view youtube but I feel the light browser in the BP32 seem little faster and smoother???

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root:# light
1625067968669	addons.repository	WARN	Search failed when repopulating cache
Crash Annotation GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1-]: Unrecognized feature WEBRENDER (t=165.005) [GFX1-]: Unrecognized feature WEBRENDER
1625068000007	addons.update-checker	WARN	onUpdateCheckComplete failed to parse update manifest: [Exception... "Update manifest is missing a required addons property."  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm :: getRequiredProperty :: line 471"  data: no] Stack trace: getRequiredProperty()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:471 < parseJSONManifest()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:481 < UpdateParser.prototype.onLoad/parser()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:652 < UpdateParser.prototype.onLoad()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:672 < UpdateParser/<()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:590
1625068008984	addons.update-checker	WARN	onUpdateCheckComplete failed to parse update manifest: [Exception... "Update manifest is missing a required addons property."  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm :: getRequiredProperty :: line 471"  data: no] Stack trace: getRequiredProperty()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:471 < parseJSONManifest()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:481 < UpdateParser.prototype.onLoad/parser()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:652 < UpdateParser.prototype.onLoad()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:672 < UpdateParser/<()@resource://gre/modules/addons/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm:590
console.error: 
  Message: Error: Error(s) encountered during statement execution: too many SQL variables
  Stack:
    ConnectionData.prototype<._executeStatement/pending<.handleCompletion@resource://gre/modules/Sqlite.jsm:807:25

console.error: 
  Message: Error: Error(s) encountered during statement execution: too many SQL variables
  Stack:
    ConnectionData.prototype<._executeStatement/pending<.handleCompletion@resource://gre/modules/Sqlite.jsm:807:25


(light:10476): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 08:52:11.935: IA__gtk_widget_set_colormap: assertion 'GDK_IS_COLORMAP (colormap)' failed

[HerrBert]

I'm now running the latest version UPupFF+D_20.12+7 and it's devx_upupff+d_20.12+7.sfs

Forum member @Kjellinux points to a problem with devx: viewtopic.php?p=31928#p31928

Today i did a quick test, trying to compile sylpheed-3.7.0, but it fails:

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# ./configure --prefix=/usr
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... (cached) yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
checking for cl.exe... no
configure: error: in `/root/sylpheed-3.7.0':
configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
See `config.log' for more details
# 

[peebee]

@HerrBert
Thank you for raising - it's a Woof-CE problem - issue raised:
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... ssues/2402

[HerrBert]

Temporarily fixed it locally:

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cd /usr/bin
for N in i686-linux-gnu-*;do X=${N/#i686-linux-gnu-}; ln -s $N ${X/%-10};done 

drops some errors about existing symlinks...

Compiling sylpheed still fails. Tried several times with some symlinking header files but at least had to give up due to a missing header file glibconfig.h.

EDIT:

After having lunch and going for a walk i tried to compile sylpheed again. After some reading and several more attempts : success. What i missed was passing CFLAG to ./configure
I don't recall i ever had to pass a flag when compiling. There's always a first time...

When trying to retrieve CFLAG there were some missing files for pkg-config:

• freetype2

• libselinux

• libpcre2-8

I found the dev-packages via ppm and installed them:

• libfreetype-dev_2.10.1-2ubuntu0.1_i386.deb

• libpcre2-dev_10.34-7_i386.deb

• libselinux1-dev_3.0-1build2_i386.deb

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./configure --prefix=/usr CFLAGS="$(pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 gtk+-2.0)"
make
make install
mkdir sylpheed-3.7.0-focal
make DESTDIR=`pwd`/sylpheed-3.7.0-focal install

(second install for creating a .pet)

[peebee]

Now
55c0746bbc7c2f2c7a27147646f4364d UPupFF+D-20.12+8.iso
see post #1

devx also fixed and updated

[HerrBert]

When trying to retrieve CFLAG there were some missing files for pkg-config:

freetype2

libselinux

libpcre2-8

not fixed in devx_upupff+d_20.12+8.sfs

Another issue i have noticed is mp console editor's menus do not work.

[sindi]

2005 DELL B130 with 1GB RAM PC2-4200, 1.5GB swap file, 1.4GHz cpu, Intel video. Fossa64 claims to need dual core and 2GB RAM.
Nothing older than BionicPup has worked right on here - bad video, no sound, no ethernet, frozen mouse, freezes, etc.

So far it all works - video, sound, eth0 and wlan0 (b44 and b43 - which do NOT work in the latest BionicPup32).
238MB RAM used (plus buffer) while running palemoon at the forum site.

Print management appears to work (it does not in an older BionicPup32).

The menu worked to download palemoon.sfs, X reloaded itself, and Palemoon 29.3.1 is working (from Stephen Pusser, I presume).

I am very pleased!

One small change since BionicPup32 is I cannot access a vt. Ctrl-Alt-F2. I use several vts or splitvt with lynx, pico or nano, ssh, etc.

The youtube-viewer 3.7.6 pet which I just installed cannot find if.pm. How/where do I get it? Is there a better pet?

Youtube works in Palemoon (slowly, with ads, watchable at 360p most of the time).

Focal32 is not listed as an official puppy and took a while to find.

[amethyst]

Youtube works in Palemoon (slowly, with ads, watchable at 360p most of the time).

Watch youtube"embedded" ie. directly from another search site like Duckduckgo or Bing. No ads and you avoid the resource hungry youtube pages.

[666philb]

One small change since BionicPup32 is I cannot access a vt. Ctrl-Alt-F2. I use several vts or splitvt with lynx, pico or nano, ssh, etc.

hi sindi ,

edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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Option "DontVTSwitch" "false"

[sindi]

To use vt:

edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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Option "DontVTSwitch" "false"

I commented out the line with "true" instead. It worked. This is the ONLY puppy I have ever used (starting with 1) with this odd default.

Also I need to use two fingers for vertical scroll, not one. I think I fixed that in mouse setup.

[sindi]

"I need to use two fingers for vertical scroll, not one. I think I fixed that in mouse setup."
I checked off (in mouse setup, touchpad) 'scroll zone vertical'. Only two-finger scroll was checked, unlike in bionic32.

[keniv]

I've made a manual frugal install of UPupFF+D-20.12 which I am booting with Grub4Dos. I have not included the arvd but instead installed two portable 32 bit browsers. One is Palemoon 29.4.1 which is also the default browser (I'm posting from it now) and the other is Firefox91.2.0 esr. This allows me to have two fairly up to date browsers on a 32bit OS. I also run Dpup Stretch and use the same browsers. I have also installed the latest version of YouTube-Get. All of this has worked, however I have also attempted to install pwidgets. I have tried pwidgets-2.5.8-486 and 2.6.0-486 .pets Neither of these work but worse still they cause the screen to freeze which in turn requires a hard shutdown. I have the 2.5.8-486 version running in Dpup Stretch without any problems. Can I ask if anybody else is running pwidgets on this pup and if so which version or can anybody suggest how I can get the versions I've mentioned above to work.

Regards,

Ken.

[peebee]

Hi @keniv

pWidgets has a very aggressive and inflexible pinstall .............. which is incompatible with the FocalPup32 lib directory structure and it therefore overwrites system files!!!

By stripping out the unneeded parts this version seems to work ......

pwidgets-2.6.0-486-uff.pet

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[keniv]

@peebee

By stripping out the unneeded parts this version seems to work ......

pwidgets-2.6.0-486-uff.pet

Hi peebee,
Thanks for this. I installed the .pet then I made some changes choosing the widgets that I normally use and they all work.

Thanks again,

Ken.

[gilles]

Hello,
This Focal Fossa 32 bits iso is perfect. It works perfectly, both with my 64 bits computer and with the very small Asus Eee 701SD netbook that I use when I travel very far away (nobody will want to steal it!). Even Youtube works perfectly with Firefox in the Eee 701SD. I just have to set the youtube resolution to minimum.

However, with the Asus Eee 701SD, I would like to install a panning with xrandr, because some (only some) set up windows are a problem.
In principle, it is enough to write a script :

#!/bin/sh
xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 800x480 --panning 800x600

600 is only an example to test

This is what I have done : https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21A ... ot&o=OneUp
and made it executable.
But, it doesn't work with Focal Fossa 32 bits.

Writing xrandr in the terminal I have this :
# xrandr
xrandr: Output LVDS1 is not disconnected but has no modes
Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 800 x 480, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected primary 800x480+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 152mm x 91mm
TV1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
800x480 (0x47) 32.000MHz -HSync -VSync
h: width 800 start 840 end 968 total 1056 skew 0 clock 30.30KHz
v: height 480 start 481 end 484 total 505 clock 60.01Hz

Any idea ?
Thank you

[gilles]

Nobody know how I could set up a panning with xrandr in UPupFF ?

[williams2]

I think the video drivers do not support your hardware.
It may be using the vesa driver.

Older versions of Puppy (and Linux) support older hardware better.

Newer versions of Puppy support newer hardware better.

Does this show what driver is being used:

lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 VGA

[JASpup]

This Focal Fossa 32 bits iso is perfect. It works perfectly, both with my 64 bits computer and with the very small Asus Eee 701SD netbook that I use when I travel very far away (nobody will want to steal it!).

@gilles are you using a 32-bit distribution on a 64-bit system for the convenience of one setup?

[gilles]

Hi,

William2
lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 VGA :

Thank you for your help

JASpup
Because I can use the same frugal install with my 2 computers. I use a 64 bits computer at home and a 32 bits computer (Asus EEE PC 701SD with 2 Go RAM) when I am traveling far away. It works perfectly (even with Youtube, see there : viewtopic.php?t=4393), because nobody will want to steal it. It depends where I am, but it is not always possible to put a computer in a safe place. With this old EEE PC the risk is very limited, even in poor countries.
In poor countries, most people cannot afford to buy a computer (and it is the very large majority of the world population !) but they can get, for nothing, or nearly nothing, old 32 bits computers people doesn't want any more in ours countries. So, it is very clear that old 32 bits computers will go on to be used for a long time, as long as puppy linux, or others, will provide 32 bits iso !
I am looking if I can change my usual frugal install to a more up to date puppy linux.

[JASpup]

Hello @gilles,

I cannot tell where you are. French colony?

Your Focal looks good. I would consider using a peebea +D pup 64-bit for the XFCE ydrv. Newer Debian works differently and would still be an adjustment, but as a main distro it would be worth it when X-Tahr and Xenial are too old.

What, if anything, are we sacrificing without 64 os?

I know what you mean about the value of machines. If I removed my internal HD, I would feel the same way.

[gilles]

Hello @gilles,

Your Focal looks good. I would consider using a peebea +D pup 64-bit for the XFCE ydrv. Newer Debian works differently and would still be an adjustment, but as a main distro it would be worth it when X-Tahr and Xenial are too old.

Hello JASpup,
Yes, I am french, but I use to travel far away to foreign countries (before the covid 19). I speak french, english, and spanish (and a little german).

I, already told you why I am using, and shall go on, to use 32 bits iso : "Because I can use the same frugal install with my 2 computers. I use a 64 bits computer at home and a 32 bits computer (Asus EEE PC 701SD with 2 Go RAM) when I am traveling far away."
Old or not, Xenial 32 bits still works perfectly, even with my Eee PC, since I installed a 2 Go RAM ! It only needs an up to date browser (very easy to find !). The only (very little) problem is the availables packages in the PPM.
I do not understand why there is people always wanting the newest thing while an older one, already, gives you everything you need. Sure, I shall not change my spouse for this reason!

What, if anything, are we sacrificing without 64 os?

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean...
Friendly yours

[JASpup]

@gilles salut,

Please forgive my understanding. I believe if you can use the exact same PUPSAVE on 64-bit and 32-bit machines, that is an advance. I had not thought of it!

I came to this thread to understand the Debian component. If, say, mounted partitions start using /media instead of /mnt, is that Debian?

Surely we would not trade in an older wife for more new compatibility problems. Sometimes the grass is greener on the older side.

In America, especially California, people are poor or affluent and no one seems to mind. It is not serious (liberte egalite fraternite says no one). Yet here most people have access to food and computers so I considered maybe you are in a colony too poor for newer computers.

The meaning of my question: if a 64-bit os is not necessary on a 64-bit computer, why do we need them? What is the advantage?

Regards

[gilles]

Hello,

so I considered maybe you are in a colony too poor for newer computers.

You are wrong. But I always keep in mind that the majority of the world's population lives in poor countries. On the other hand, the preservation of our planet would imply not to throw away what works well, to buy a new product that brings nothing more than what we need, because its manufacture, and its transport, imply pollution that could be avoided and that the planet does not need.
Of course, this is not the concern of big companies who have every interest in pushing useless consumption.
Moreover, we should not forget that one of the fundamental goals of puppy linux is to give life back to old computers.

I must tell you that France doesn't have any more colonies. This is old history. People living in France have the same rights in every part of France (Europe, or overseas). and, of course, have the rigth to live in any part of France (Europe or Overseas). For the third time in only several years, next december (the 15th), people living in New Caledonia (Asia), will have to choose, to stay french or to become an independent country.

The meaning of my question: if a 64-bit os is not necessary on a 64-bit computer, why do we need them? What is the advantage?

This is a good question ! May be for something I do not need ! A 32 bits OS works as well on 64 or 32 bits computers, but a 64 bits OS works only on 64 bits computers

[gilles]

back to the question :
Nobody knows how I could set up a panning with xrandr in this 32 bits UPupFF ?