BionicPup32-8.0 (UPupBB-19.03) BionicBeaver Woof-CE build

[tosim]

Profile change happened to me while using Linux Mint; FF v96.0.2. Easy enough to redo.

[mikeslr]

My graphic card is

AMD RADEON HD 6450

so which driver for linux i need for this card?

If i get it to work , can i easy remaster this Iso using
built in program ?
thanks

I don't know anything about graphic cards. Just in passing I note that the OS which worked was NOT a Puppy. It was a debiandog.
DebianDogs are NOT Puppys. They are 'pure' debian structured and configured to function like Puppys. Their parts are not inter-changable with Puppys, such as the vmlinuz, zdrv.sfs and fdrv.sfs for dpup-stretch would be with UPupbb's defaults. You might be better off trying one of the newer debiandogs.
But if you can get your Upupbb working, DON'T use the built-in remaster to remaster. Instead use one of amethyst's nicOS-Utility-Suite's Remaster modules, viewtopic.php?p=12983#p12983. There are two. Their differences explained here, http://oldforum.puppylinux.com/viewtopi ... r#p1056561. Both are much less 'user-mistake-prone' and produce results much faster than the builtin.
As you are only going to use the Remaster on the one computer you mentioned, you don't need to generate an ISO: only build a new base sfs, to wit: puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs. After that's been built, you just substitute the new one for the old.
This is what I do: within the upupbb folder, create a folder (I name it protect). Then move both the puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs and the SaveFile/Folder into the 'protect folder'. Move the newly created puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs any your SaveFile/Folder into the upupbb folder. Reboot without Saving. If there's a problem you can just revert that process to again use the old base and SaveFile/Folder. If there's no problem, you can delete the 'protect' folder.
On Second Thought: Considering the age of your computer, it is possible that both newer Puppys and debiandogs no longer provide support for your graphic card. I'd first want to find out if dpup-stretch will boot to desktop. It's available from the link on this post, viewtopic.php?p=1506#p1506

[JASpup]

Am I a Linux heretic with the observation that the computing world has moved past the 32 bit architecture and that it will be a unsupported,orphan child over time?

No, but the there's a difference between choking 32 vs. letting it die of natural causes vs. a life at all costs priority. The effort here is between 2 & 3. I'm 2 and against 1, recently got Google Support to accept an old version of Chromium with a spoofed User Agent. They're the 1 crowd. So we choose, subjectively, both as users and creators.

[AstonX]

Thanks mike
on explanation ..i am not sure that i understand everything about remastering
because this is tricky part and i don't have experience in that.

but i have question again i hope that i don't bothering you .
I see on many places on old forum and here "remastering"
but i dont see anywhere any simple explanation in steps.

Like :

1.if I remove some programs from distro and add few new
is that saved on USB?

2.is remastering even possible using just USB ?

3.for example i found in old Saluki remastering tool
which told me that if i want remaster i need to have Puppy Frugal install.
what exactly is Frugall...? is that image of sytem ?
is it compressed ?
On which type of HDD need to be , formatted as ext4 or i can put it on ntfs ?

[amethyst]

Hi, peebee
What was the last "pure" ubuntu release of this Puppy (before you mixed/updated stuff with debian)?

[peebee]

Hi, peebee
What was the last "pure" ubuntu release of this Puppy (before you mixed/updated stuff with debian)?

EE Eoan Ermine 19.10
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... Upup-Eoan/

Or
EF which was a mix of FF+EE
https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... oan-Focal/

[amethyst]

mksquashfs has lzo compression as one of the options and one can indeed make an lzo sfs but the system does not support it?

[peebee]

the system does not support it?

In what sense not supported?

Never seen lz0 compression mentioned as supported in any Pup?

Wider issue than just BionicPup I think - maybe needs Woof-CE changes (if required).

[amethyst]

the system does not support it?

In what sense not supported?

Never seen lz0 compression mentioned as supported in any Pup?

Wider issue than just BionicPup I think - maybe needs Woof-CE changes (if required).

Can't boot sfs lzo, says it's unsupported format. Can't load it either with sfs_load.

[amethyst]

I've had some weird experiences since using this Puppy as my daily driver. It all seems JWM related with some weird crashes of JWM when least expected. Seems to be happening randomly. I first thought it was related to the temperature application which crashed and then JMW with it but after removing that application, issues still persist. I'm now back using Precise. I wonder if this has something to do with using more virtual desktops, a feature which I have never really used in the past but am using quite often now. I'll see if I encounter the same when using Precise. Could be an issue entirely related to JWM.

[bigpup]

This is a good example of why using delta files to update Bionicpup32 is an issue.

This is a topic where members of the forum are trying to help this new user of Puppy and Bionicpup32.
viewtopic.php?p=56811#p56811
Start reading here and follow the next few posts.

[peebee]

This is a good example of why using delta files to update Bionicpup32 is an issue.

Many thanks for the "nudge" but I don't think delta files are an "issue" as they are provided for good reasons:
- they are easy for me to produce with standard tools **most important**
- they do not clutter up the savearea with software updates
- full updated iso's are also available if the delta mechanism is too complex

I could change the help text displayed by the System Update menu item if this would help users to understand whats available.

[bigpup]

I could change the help text displayed by the System Update menu item if this would help users to understand whats available.

Yes, that would be of great help.

[alibadrelsayed]

I installed Gnome Disk Utility, when I ran it there is the following error:
gnome-disks:12473): GNOME-Disks-ERROR **: 07:52:06.475: Error getting udisks client: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.UDisks2: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
Trace/breakpoint trap.
Any solution ?

[peebee]

I installed Gnome Disk Utility,

Why? Say what you are actually trying to achieve and somebody may be able to help....

Needs many dependencies that are not in BionicPup32!!

Requires
Name Value
dconf-gsettings-backend -
gsettings-backend -
libatk1.0-0 >= 1.12.4
libc6 >= 2.10
libcairo2 >= 1.2.4
libcanberra-gtk3-0 >= 0.25
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 >= 2.22.0
libglib2.0-0 >= 2.43.2
libgtk-3-0 >= 3.21.5
liblzma5 >= 5.1.1alpha+20120614
libnotify4 >= 0.7.0
libpango-1.0-0 >= 1.18.0
libpangocairo-1.0-0 >= 1.14.0
libpwquality1 >= 1.1.0
libsecret-1-0 >= 0.7
libsystemd0 >= 209
libudisks2-0 >= 2.7.6
udisks2 >= 2.7.6

[alibadrelsayed]

I installed Gnome Disk Utility,

Why? Say what you are actually trying to achieve and somebody may be able to help....

Needs many dependencies that are not in BionicPup32!!

Requires
Name Value
dconf-gsettings-backend -
gsettings-backend -
libatk1.0-0 >= 1.12.4
libc6 >= 2.10
libcairo2 >= 1.2.4
libcanberra-gtk3-0 >= 0.25
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 >= 2.22.0
libglib2.0-0 >= 2.43.2
libgtk-3-0 >= 3.21.5
liblzma5 >= 5.1.1alpha+20120614
libnotify4 >= 0.7.0
libpango-1.0-0 >= 1.18.0
libpangocairo-1.0-0 >= 1.14.0
libpwquality1 >= 1.1.0
libsecret-1-0 >= 0.7
libsystemd0 >= 209
libudisks2-0 >= 2.7.6
udisks2 >= 2.7.6

Thanks for quick response, the creating disk img inside this tool is so simple, easy, efficient compared to any other tools I work with: GParted, UDisks etc., I checked the dependencies and nothing appeared to be missing, but I'm gonna give it a nother look.

[mikeslr]

...
Thanks for quick response, the creating disk img inside this tool is so simple, easy, efficient compared to any other tools I work with: GParted, UDisks etc., I checked the dependencies and nothing appeared to be missing, but I'm gonna give it a nother look.

Most Puppy are packaged as an ISO. But EasyOS is packaged as an IMG. Puppy has native easy to use tools for creating either package or deploying it. As peebee suggested "Say what you are actually trying to achieve and somebody may be able to help." I've just emphasized the adverb. Is you intention to immediately write an IMG to a USB-Key; or archive files as a IMG?

[alibadrelsayed]

...
Thanks for quick response, the creating disk img inside this tool is so simple, easy, efficient compared to any other tools I work with: GParted, UDisks etc., I checked the dependencies and nothing appeared to be missing, but I'm gonna give it a nother look.

Most Puppy are packaged as an ISO. But EasyOS is packaged as an IMG. Puppy has native easy to use tools for creating either package or deploying it. As peebee suggested "Say what you are actually trying to achieve and somebody may be able to help." I've just emphasized the adverb. Is you intention to immediately write an IMG to a USB-Key; or archive files as a IMG?

Thanks a lot, I'm trying to backup Partition as img file, and restore it later, in Gnome Disk Utility Just 2 clicks
1. Select the Partition
2. Create Disk Image,
Done, and the same steps for restore it, this is why I prefer this tool

[alibadrelsayed]

I checked ALL the depedencies again and I'm sure All of them are installed, still got the same error

[amethyst]

@peebee
Is there an update log for the updates? I want to know if there are significant system changes (for example newer glibc and other important libraries needed to run the newest browsers/aplications for example). I think I'm using update version 15 as the release date was 22/11/2019. I think I've downloaded the full iso at the time and did not apply a delta file. Will it be possible to reverse update that full iso version and then apply the latest update delta? Also - I see there is a Jammy release. I suppose this a later 'branch" of ubuntu so why is this not listed in the mainline distribution section of this forum? What would you say are the most significant system changes in general when comparing Bionic with the latest update applied and the current version of Jammy?

[peebee]

@peebee
Is there an update log for the updates? I want to know if there are significant system changes (for example newer glibc and other important libraries needed to run the newest browsers/aplications for example). I think I'm using update version 15 as the release date was 22/11/2019. I think I've downloaded the full iso at the time and did not apply a delta file. Will it be possible to reverse update that full iso version and then apply the latest update delta? Also - I see there is a Jammy release. I suppose this a later 'branch" of ubuntu so why is this not listed in the mainline distribution section of this forum? What would you say are the most significant system changes in general when comparing Bionic with the latest update applied and the current version of Jammy?

Hi @amethyst
- there is no update log but see https://sourceforge.net/projects/zestyp ... c/updates/
- main point of Ubuntu LTS releases is that major components do not get uprated (although important changes can get back ported)
- latest is +30 so you are way behind on +15
- there is a reverse update to make +0 from +15 - see post #1 - you can then apply the +30 update (if you got the +15 iso from Ibiblio you may need to rename it)
- Ubuntu dropped 100% 32-bit support after Bionic so Jammy is a hybrid Ubuntu-Debian build (Focal is similar) so repository contents may differ
- Jammy does have later versions of system components compared to Bionic......
- I'm not in charge of making entries in Mainline Distros section of forum.....

Cheers.

[amethyst]

Thanks. So what versions of glibc, GTK+ and libstdc++ does the latest update of Bionic have?

[peebee]

/var/packages/woof-installed-packages

[argonaut459]

Hi there,
is this the right place to report some bugs and annoyances with this distro on a Dell Inspiron Mini 10?

If yes, I'd be happy to share my impressions as a (first) time Linux user, and bugs I have found in my few days with this distro.
If not, a redirect to the right forum is very much appreciated.

Cheers
Julian

[peebee]

Hi there,
is this the right place to report some bugs and annoyances with this distro on a Dell Inspiron Mini 10?

If yes, I'd be happy to share my impressions as a (first) time Linux user, and bugs I have found in my few days with this distro.
If not, a redirect to the right forum is very much appreciated.

Cheers
Julian

Bugs - yes but please do provide enough information on your setup and installation so that they can be duplicated.

Annoyances - I'm afraid this is an old distro (4 years old) so any annoyances are pretty unlikely to be actioned - please try the later JammyPup32 and if annoyances persist describe them (again with full information) in the Users thread.

[argonaut459]

Annoyances - I'm afraid this is an old distro (4 years old) so any annoyances are pretty unlikely to be actioned - please try the later JammyPup32 and if annoyances persist describe them (again with full information) in the Users thread.

Holy smokes, why is it featured on the main page than? And especially why does this thread say April 2022 than?
Ok, good to know about that.

I'll see if I can find this JammyPup32, I assume here on the Forum.

As we are on the topic of other Distros,
Suggestions for a 32bit Distro that would be actually viable for someone that has almost NONE PC experience, and still be capable of a daily driver?

[peebee]

And especially why does this thread say April 2022 than?

Because a fresh build (+30) was done in April 2022 but with no new features, just updates of system components.

JammyPup32 from https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=5799

[bigpup]

@peebee Something you may want to look at for Bionicpup32.
viewtopic.php?t=6878

[Chelsea80]

@ peebee

Reference your answer to argonaut459.

“Because a fresh build (+30) was done in April 2022 but with no new features, just updates of system components”.

I understand “with no new features” - but

Please can you explain to me what “just updates of system components” means in non-technical language.

I guess I am in the minority in knowledge of Puppy internals but hey, someone has to be. Or need not be if I can be given a step up in knowledge.

I kept upgrading each time you published a fresh build but stopped at +28 because I could not notice any difference in use on the same machine (a Gateway laptop).

So is there any advantage to me in keeping up to date with new builds?

Thanks and best regards

Chelsea80

[peebee]

Please can you explain to me what “just updates of system components” means in non-technical language.

Ubuntu continuously updates the components which are used by BionicPup32 ....

Periodically, I do a new build which includes all the Ubuntu updates since the last BionicPup32 build.

If an old build works AOK for you then there is no absolute need to update, however some of the updates may include security improvements so if this is an aspect that concerns you, you are better off applying the periodic updates.

https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/?type=dists&vals=bionic

https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package_l ... mit=Filter