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dimkr

But using directory symbolic links for the old directory locations that point to the new directory locations? Yes. Some things (e.g. build systems) hardcode paths like /usr/bin/grep and some pre-usrmerge distros had to do ugly things like a /usr/bin/grep->/bin/grep symlink, so they don't need to pa...

dimkr

But ok, probably there comes a time that no-usrmerge will become really problematic, but not yet IMO. It's already unsupported in Debian testing, you get a more and more broken Puppy as packages adopt DEP17 to prepare for mandatory usrmerge in Debian 13. The right time to add usrmerge support in wo...

dimkr

So the inevitable will eventually happen, What do you mean by "inevitable"? Why describe a relatively harmless change in the file system layout as a big disaster? also throw in the mix 64bit . It is possible to build a 32-bit Puppy with the usrmerge layout, but expect problems (but not be...

dimkr

@MochiMoppel The current code should address your concerns

dimkr

The vast majority of packages that contain executables place them in /usr/bin, and not /bin, /sbin or /usr/sbin. This is why most major distros unified /bin and /usr/bin by moving the few files there to /usr/bin and making /bin a link to /usr/bin. This simplifies the file system layout, improves com...

dimkr

@MochiMoppel Please test /etc/acpi.map and /etc/acpi/actions/suspend.sh from the PR and report back if you have any issues.

dimkr

The "default Woof-CE BookwormPups" (64-bit & 32-bit) are found at: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/actions/workflows/debian-bookworm.yml This is what radky enhances to produce his BookwormPup64 With many modifications - many added packages, big changes in quicksetup, ......

dimkr

This should also work: [ $(grep -l ^connected /sys/class/drm/*/status | wc -l ) -gt 1 ] && exit Since the internal laptop monitor is always connected, more than 2 monitors indicate at least one external monitor The question is not connected or not but enabled or not. Not every connected mon...

dimkr

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/pull/4278

I hope the logic is correct, this will need some testing

dimkr

@MochiMoppel I agree, I think that suspending on lid close unless connected to an external monitor is the most intuitive default behavior.

Somebody will need to contribute this change to woof-CE.

dimkr

Ubuntu 20.04 and distros derived from it are too old for a laptop like this. What you need is a distro that uses libinput (by using the X.Org libinput driver, or by not using X.Org), with a recent kernel, recent Mesa, SOF firmware and preferably with PipeWire. I think BookwormPup64 should tick all b...

dimkr

This script is super old, and I think it tries to work around problems with flash drives that disconnect and lose data on suspend, something I haven't seen for many years. Until https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/pull/2984, it didn't suspend if a flash drive is attached, which meant Puppy...

dimkr

@darksun Every additional deadbeef plugin makes it bigger and heavier, so it's built with a limited selection. Most notably, it's built without the ffmpeg plugin (which makes it support pretty much anything) because ffmepg is by far the biggest dependency of deadbeef. I'll add the AAC plugin.

dimkr

Clarity wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:28 am
Forum distros will react, as well.

Interesting prophecy, thanks for sharing.

dimkr

@Jasper PPM doesn't handle the corner case of a single package with multiple versions available, among other things. And it's unmaintained, this is only one issue among many.

dimkr

Canonical backports security patches from newer versions to 1.1.1f but the version number stays at 1.1.1f (as reported by openssl version ) - for example, 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.22 (the package version you see in dpkg -l ) backports a security fix and applies it to 1.1.1f. If your Ubuntu 20.04 is updated, ...

dimkr

No matter what gets announced on distrowatch, puppylinux.com is the first search result for "puppy linux" and needs to be updated. I think this is way more important than representation on dw.

dimkr

bigpup wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:32 am
Something to consider for next update to BookwormPup64

I'd say it might be a better idea to wait for Debian 13 and build a Puppy from its packages, instead of trying to backport a newer apt to a Debian 12 based system.

dimkr

Did experiment with the Focal Fossa package usrmerge converter but dropped that angle for the moment due to warning messages. Yes, it won't work for various reasons. Better set USR_SYMLINKS=yes in _00build.conf before 2createpackages and let the entire build run with the file system layout converted.

dimkr

dimkr's disappointment with Woof-CE To clarify: I'm not disappointed with the project itself, as a pile of code. When I don't like the direction a project I use is going (or stagnation and lack of any direction) I just fork it, because I believe in my ability to find a solution to the technical pro...

dimkr

As Feyerabend said, "the only principle that does not inhibit progress is 'anything goes'". Every developer (except maybe the one with the top spot in puppylinux.com) wants their Puppy flavor to have equal chance of success, based on its usefulness, competitive advantages and fan following...

dimkr

jamesbond 100% IIRC, the only rule is that it has to be built using Woof-CE. The vast majority of 'official' releases are built with a private fork of woof-CE that is never published (with or without additional manual steps in the build process), so they're not 'built with woof-CE' as in 'built by ...

dimkr

@peebee It's a PR, not merged yet. It can't affect anything until it's merged.

dimkr

already done long time ago......... The index.html of puppylinux.com doesn't point to this list: it shows a different list, one with EOL Puppy releases and arbitrary omissions. And this list comes after big piles of text new users probably don't read or understand. (By the way, I didn't add Vanilla...

dimkr

IMO puppylinux.com should either 1. Embrace this variety, change the wording, drop old info like the (wrong) list of developers, and link to a list of currently maintained Puppy family distros, without sorting by 'official'/not, a list that is not controlled by a single person (editable wiki page?) ...

dimkr

following specific rules The vast majority of 'official' Puppy releases including Fossapup64 didn't satisfy these requirements, and putting an unpopular Puppy variant in distrowatch and the top spot in puppylinux.com only because it's among the few that follow the rules, is absurd. New users are mo...

dimkr

fredx181 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:05 pm
Hopefully Debian will support better "backwards compatibility", it would be a shame if not

Debian will probably follow Ubuntu's form of backward compatibility, which is forcing usrmerge when upgrading to the first version where it's mandatory.

dimkr

From my experience, I think that apt is smart enough to detect usr-merged or not-usr-merged when installing a package. apt itself - yes, packages themselves - no. For example, recent Ubuntu and Debian packages (what's in 24.04 and testing, respectively) moved things like grep to /usr/bin (aka DEP17...

dimkr

I wonder how many packages installed through apt will break in a Puppy built without USR_SYMLINKS=yes (aka usrmerge). I know that Debian has some packages that fail at runtime in a non-usrmerge system because they assume something exists in /bin while in reality it's there only when /bin and /usr/bi...

dimkr

@rockedge apt works! Only need to add BUILD_BDRV=yes and fixmenusd in PETBUILDS, so the JWM menu is updated automatically after apt install of an application (otherwise, one needs to fixmenus and jwm -reload).

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