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dimkr

rockedge wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 4:40 pm
@dimkr can you point me in the right direction to begin to utilize this excellent feature?

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... specs#L102

Just add deps:yes to your DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS lines

dimkr

one of the primary reasons our distro is stagnating is that it is tied to a build system that is not usable for the majority of our members The primary reason is lack of skilled and motivated developers (see https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/graphs/contributors and https://github.com/pu...

dimkr

Can you share your boot loader configuration? Maybe you're using pfix=ram.

dimkr

When a puppy is created and a list of packages is read from DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS, are those packages downloaded only from puppy repos? See https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/blob/65afaa198f82a415986a907af7dda3f96cc7e2f7/woof-code/README.pkgs_specs#L43 It's a list of packages, some are .pet ...

dimkr

BookwormPup64 should have 2.74.6 and that's new enough. You'll probably create many problems if you try to retrofit new glib in an old Puppy.

dimkr

The 'retro' variant is currently at 314 MB, but you pay a big price for this small size: decompression is CPU-intensive, hardware support is limited, online videos drain the battery unless you add VA-API drivers, websites look funny or even broken due to limited font selection ... Anyone who uses th...

dimkr

@d-pupp Packages are removed from Debian Testing all the time and return once they don't break anything anymore. This is normal. Don't forget you're using a development build, not a stable release.

dimkr

mikewalsh wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 6:14 pm
I'm trying out VanillaDPup 10.0.53 ATM.

But I was talking about 11.0.x, which is still in early development

10.0.x is very similar to BookwormPup64 because the latter is based on it.

dimkr

A symlink can be used to cut size by half when you have two identical files. But I don't see how symlinks can (loslessly) shrink a 1 GB sized Puppy (= unique files with total size of 1 GB) to 400 MB. And if your 400 MB distro doesn't have drivers and firmware to connect to the internet, you can't do...

dimkr

inevitably means returning to "apt-get" and the use of Synaptic for everything..... Wrong, .pet packages work, SFSs work and even Flatpak works. I believe that it's also going to mean that many of the uniquely Puppy methods of implementing software will cease to work Wrong, you'd be surpr...

dimkr

after all you do the work This was never true, and now that I left the woof-CE organization, I don't have the permissions to touch woof-CE: I can only open pull requests and hope that somebody merges them. And I have no control of other people's decisions whether or not to make contributions of the...

dimkr

It always seems to me like all the 'future of Puppy' threads miss at least one of 1. A detailed but clear vision - what Puppy should be like, what current features can be retired and what new things should be worked on (usually it's unclear or super general and vague - 'modular', 'light' ...) 2. Con...

dimkr

wanderer This is exactly the direction I'm going for in my Vanilla Dpup 11.0.x development builds, and my plan is to have a polished distro by the time Debian 13 is out. It's much closer to Debian compared to today's Puppy, and it should be surprisingly light and snappy, although size is about the ...

dimkr

and why cant we simply " borrow " the browser components from one of the bigger distros debian for instance You can borrow Debian's Chromium, but it needs Debian's PipeWire to do screen capture, access your camera and play audio, it needs Debian's GPU drivers for GPU-accelerated playback,...

dimkr

Why shackle Puppy with that requirement? An OS that can't run a full-featured modern browser is not super useful. Modern multimedia tools for Linux do this through PipeWire, modern browsers are starting to depend on GTK+ 4 ... once PipeWire is the only supported screen capture or audio playback bac...

dimkr

puppy stagnated? Or has it matured It's the same thing, mature software without a skilled maintainer begins to rot, especially if 99% of its components are third-party and the third parties release new versions, make breaking changes and have their own goals and priorities. Stagnation happens when ...

dimkr

I'm doing this yad migration not because of gtkdialog's diminishing popularity but because: 1. yad is alive, in the form of multiple maintainrd forks, while gtkdialog is unmaintained 2. yad mostly shows one widget at a time plus buttons, making it possible to port it to GTK+ 4: yad itself can be por...

dimkr

wanderer wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 5:57 pm
you use woof-ce
i will use debiandog-live

Fine with me, as long as nobody spreads what may be perceived as FUD about the projects they don't use and discourages potential contributors.

dimkr

The next development build replaces most remaining uses of Xdialog and gtkdialog with yad. Some dialogs are more compact now (pupswap is a good example), and the shutdown dialog is a bit smarter: you can close it to abort shutdown (as the text there says - it was a lie until now) and it shows a time...

dimkr

Not many forum members I feel have the ability, or at least the knowledge, to alter the result produced by woof-CE. Not many actually tried, some just echo the statement that woof-CE doesn't work or woof-CE is too complicated to use, without doing some fact checking on their own and actually trying...

dimkr

advanced stuff, it's about how much knowledge you have already (edit: e.g. about usage of git / github) In this particular case, you only need to create a GitHub account. No git knowledge is needed if you only want to run woof-CE! If you want to modify woof-CE, you can do this without knowing how t...

dimkr

we mere mortals need something that we can use that is why the single script approach works so well for us I think that a fully automated solution where you fill a form and get a newly built Puppy that's built in a clean build environment in the cloud, on a fast machine, is much easier than running...

dimkr

wanderer wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 11:45 am
and would eliminate the problem
of woof-ce being unusable for most people

Is this a real problem? Is this the primary reason for Puppy's stagnation, and not the lack of skilled contributors?

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/w ... -on-GitHub

dimkr

There are many ways to measure RAM consumption, each tool has its own formula. Some tools measure allocated memory, some measure 'resident' memory that's actually in use and some even include cache. Cache can distort the picture a lot because in a computer with several GBs of RAM, cache can take GBs...

dimkr

I never saw anything wrong with the PPM idea of accessing packages that have been tested (or developed) by fellow Puppians. This idea is fine as an idea, but 1. PPM itself is unmaintained for years 2. The PPM repos like "noarch" contain ancient packages (not sure if it's https://github.co...

dimkr

I cannot see that theme Try to delete /root/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini @mikewalsh I do not know :) but among all the puppys I have tried only vanilladpup comes with this problem on my PCs and laptops It's probably because it's the only one that sets a GTK+ 3 theme. GNOME developers don't want dis...

dimkr

Do you see the same problems if you change the GTK+ theme to Adwaita?

dimkr

wiak wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:09 pm
Personally, I would consider it better if forum took more central interest

Who is 'forum'? What stops you from submitting it to DW yourself?

dimkr

@d-pupp You're trying to mount the wrong image or trying to mount it the wrong way, because the image doesn't contain an exfat file system, it's a device image with one or two partitions.

dimkr

jamesbond wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:24 am
I actually did that manually

I also cleaned up the diff manually, I kept the top-level configuration changes I made myself and removed changes to dependencies (merge_kconfig.sh takes care of dependencies). This makes the delta more 'portable' across kernel versions

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