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dimkr

I think it would be best to automate the build process of BookwormPup64 so anyone can create projects based on it or just continue its development if needed (and that would be the first time somebody adopts a Puppy flavor after its developer disappears or loses interest). If the build process is aut...

dimkr

It's a writable image, it's not read-only. Maybe you moved the files out of it, so now it appears empty.

Maybe try to redownload?

dimkr

Jasper wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:39 pm
The X directory does contain the boot files only.

What do you mean by "boot files"?

Jasper wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:39 pm
Is there a way to retrieve the contents?

The contents of SFSs? You can view their contents just like any other SFS.

dimkr

Jasper wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:10 pm
One thing I did notice is that the initrd has a different extension in the latest build ie zst instead of gz.

Don't take initrd.zst from there! It won't work with 10.0.x.

Take only vmlinuz, ucode.cpio, fdrv and zdrv.

dimkr

Vanilladpup is configured for Debian The opposite, it's the Debian kernel - it's built from the Debian kernel source as-is, without big patches like aufs, inside a clean Debian container with Debian's GCC, etc'. And it's built with Debian's kernel configuration plus few (130 out of 10k+, which is a...

dimkr

@Jasper In your case it's /dev/loop5, hence /dev/loop5p1 and /dev/loop5p2.

dimkr

It is possible to swap the kernel (as long as fdrv and zdrv are usrmerge-adjusted), but kernels are easy to misconfigure (missing drivers, bad defaults, settings that make more sense for servers rather than PCs, etc') so expect varying quality. Kernel configuration files are ~10k lines, and that mea...

dimkr

Clarity wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:02 pm
Additionally, I THINK, we should ALSO promote his Vanilla v11

I think we should NOT 'promote' early and incomplete development builds with many known issues, especially if the target audience is new users.

dimkr

wanderer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:46 pm
but dont kill yourself

And for those who want to help test this PR and find more hidden changes in past Puppy releases that they want to see in future releases: please don't rest too much

dimkr

For those worried about the longevity and sustainability of BookwormPup64 or Puppy as a whole, I opened this PR, which upstreams many changes and hacks I extracted from the 10.0.6 ISO. There could be more, it's hard to go file by file and find them.

dimkr

distro build with Wayland into 2024 I also think that WoofCE should start a move to GTK4/QT6 while dropping some of the old technologies Software is not a thing that happens, it's a thing people make. Wayland, GTK+ 4 and Qt 6 are not just ready-made "things" one can "add" to a l...

dimkr

My soundcard is not recognised Does it work with the regular ISO? It shouldn't need any out-of-tree drivers. So my next step would be to build GCC (?) Building GCC yourself would be a very bad idea, due to GCC<>glibc dependencies. Your best options are 1) using the regular ISO to build packages (af...

dimkr

If you want something 'different', there's a Debian Trixie build configuration in woof-CE that produces a "pure Wayland" Puppy with labwc, sfwbar and spacefm. It produces fully reproducible builds, without any prebuilt .pet packages. It's smaller and lighter compared to what you'd get if y...

dimkr

I believe woof-CE has the tools to detect differences between a modify distribution and its woof-CE counterpart and generate patches . Couldn't it be used to make radky's bookworm as "official" as one desires? No, the delta is big. I started extracting the manual changes in BookwormPup64 ...

dimkr

But using directory symbolic links for the old directory locations that point to the new directory locations? Yes. Some things (e.g. build systems) hardcode paths like /usr/bin/grep and some pre-usrmerge distros had to do ugly things like a /usr/bin/grep->/bin/grep symlink, so they don't need to pa...

dimkr

But ok, probably there comes a time that no-usrmerge will become really problematic, but not yet IMO. It's already unsupported in Debian testing, you get a more and more broken Puppy as packages adopt DEP17 to prepare for mandatory usrmerge in Debian 13. The right time to add usrmerge support in wo...

dimkr

So the inevitable will eventually happen, What do you mean by "inevitable"? Why describe a relatively harmless change in the file system layout as a big disaster? also throw in the mix 64bit . It is possible to build a 32-bit Puppy with the usrmerge layout, but expect problems (but not be...

dimkr

@MochiMoppel The current code should address your concerns

dimkr

The vast majority of packages that contain executables place them in /usr/bin, and not /bin, /sbin or /usr/sbin. This is why most major distros unified /bin and /usr/bin by moving the few files there to /usr/bin and making /bin a link to /usr/bin. This simplifies the file system layout, improves com...

dimkr

@MochiMoppel Please test /etc/acpi.map and /etc/acpi/actions/suspend.sh from the PR and report back if you have any issues.

dimkr

The "default Woof-CE BookwormPups" (64-bit & 32-bit) are found at: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/actions/workflows/debian-bookworm.yml This is what radky enhances to produce his BookwormPup64 With many modifications - many added packages, big changes in quicksetup, ......

dimkr

This should also work: [ $(grep -l ^connected /sys/class/drm/*/status | wc -l ) -gt 1 ] && exit Since the internal laptop monitor is always connected, more than 2 monitors indicate at least one external monitor The question is not connected or not but enabled or not. Not every connected mon...

dimkr

https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/pull/4278

I hope the logic is correct, this will need some testing

dimkr

@MochiMoppel I agree, I think that suspending on lid close unless connected to an external monitor is the most intuitive default behavior.

Somebody will need to contribute this change to woof-CE.

dimkr

Ubuntu 20.04 and distros derived from it are too old for a laptop like this. What you need is a distro that uses libinput (by using the X.Org libinput driver, or by not using X.Org), with a recent kernel, recent Mesa, SOF firmware and preferably with PipeWire. I think BookwormPup64 should tick all b...

dimkr

This script is super old, and I think it tries to work around problems with flash drives that disconnect and lose data on suspend, something I haven't seen for many years. Until https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/pull/2984, it didn't suspend if a flash drive is attached, which meant Puppy...

dimkr

@darksun Every additional deadbeef plugin makes it bigger and heavier, so it's built with a limited selection. Most notably, it's built without the ffmpeg plugin (which makes it support pretty much anything) because ffmepg is by far the biggest dependency of deadbeef. I'll add the AAC plugin.

dimkr

Clarity wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:28 am
Forum distros will react, as well.

Interesting prophecy, thanks for sharing.

dimkr

@Jasper PPM doesn't handle the corner case of a single package with multiple versions available, among other things. And it's unmaintained, this is only one issue among many.

dimkr

Canonical backports security patches from newer versions to 1.1.1f but the version number stays at 1.1.1f (as reported by openssl version ) - for example, 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.22 (the package version you see in dpkg -l ) backports a security fix and applies it to 1.1.1f. If your Ubuntu 20.04 is updated, ...

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