Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

hi rockedge

please delete this forum

as it is not progressing

and is only taking up space

wanderer

i agree rcrsn51

dog incubator should be deleted
it does not meet the requirements of a legitimate project

wanderer

one of the primary reasons our distro is stagnating is that it is tied to a build system that is not usable for the majority of our members in my opinion woof-ce is obsolete it can only be used by a select few is very awkward to use ( multiple scripts ) and apparently is bloated ( slackware ) and ti...

also i would like to remind everyone what the purpose of this thread is the title is not what is up with puppy its what is up in puppy world this thread is to include all systems on the puppy forum and beyond if we do not consider all ideas and systems we will stagnate which we are doing wanderer

hi all to belabor the point you will never get everything you want into the primary iso no matter what compression you use just break things up the base iso which will be small (and thus attractive ) and to which you can add whatever you want ( as sfs files or whatever ) otherwise our distro will ju...

yes fredx181 lets just use your system its already developed and it can be developed further to deal with things as they come along in the future maybe even with symlinked sfs files you could put your ideas into it dimkr it would save you a lot of work wanderer

hi dimkr the iso will have all that is needed to get set up who knows what its eventual size will need to be however i doubt that just to get on the internet and run a shell and sfs downloader will require 1 GB of applications large applications desktops extra drivers extra firmware browsers media p...

hi all i must also once again address the issue of iso size vs available functions the solution to this problem is to make a small iso and to symlink sfs files to it tinycore does this and has 100s of symlinked sfs files if needed thus our distro will have the basics in the iso and as many additiona...

hi all i must once again strongly advocate for us using fredx181s mklive script as our build system it is without peer it could be put on github for development and then downloaded and ran by anyone to make a new distro in my opinion woof-ce is obsolete it can only be used by a select few is very aw...

hi dimkr i also think that having an easy build system is essential that has always been a major selling point both for users and developers build and/or remaster to attract as many developers as we can we want to make the entry level for potential new developers a low as possible fredx181s build sy...

hi dimkr read your presentation sounds great to me a very big concern to me is the load on the primary developer and in turn the ones that follow but sticking to debian and devuan and having a reproducible build system i think would solve this issue wanderer

hi dimkr

could we not solve the small size vs full feature problem

by having the initial iso small

and having add ons to give you all the functions you may want eventually

wanderer

hi all here is my answer to dimkrs 3 questions i think that what attracts people to our distro is 1. small size the one i use is 400 megs 2. full function has all the basic apps 3. flexible deployment can be set up in a myriad of ways 4. easy modifiablity things can be added or removed by many means...

hi dimkr

it seems to me you are one of the ones best placed to address these questions
after all you do the work

im sure everyone would like to know what you think the answers should be

wanderer

im not tying to define puppy we already have a ton of working puppies im just talking about the direction i am going and what i think we should consider down the road i use upup32 - a woof-ce build now i use debiandog - a mklive build and i use corepup/tinycore/dcore - a core-sfs-symlinked system th...

probably a good way to see it in action is to look at tinycore/corepup and they also have a dcore which is based on debian my old rampup that i started with i have somewhere but i would have to search for it wiak one time found it on the old forum there is really not much to it its just the nature o...

tinycore is one example of a core with symlinked extensions but i was playing with this system in puppy long before i found tinycore another neat trick is that you can unsquash a sfs file on a hard drive symlink it to the core run it as though it was squashed modify it while its running then squash ...

hi fredx181 symlinks to sfs files work just like a layered filesystem just without the cpu overhead and white out files and you can use both symlinks and layered filesystems together so no need to change a system that is already set up for layered filesystems anyway having a core with symlinked exte...

the way to go to build a small full featured flexibly deployed easily modified distro like puppy lets call it a puppy-dog you know what everyone in puppy world has been using all these years take a look at debiandog and tell me that you can tell if it was built by woof-ce or mklive wanderer

thank you so much fredx181 and rcrsn51

you made my day

reading it now

wanderer

hi rcrsn51

do you know the name of the thread
i cant seem to find it

wanderer

thanks rcrsn51

no i did not know
i will look
hopefully all this stuff is already done

thanks very much

wanderer

hi williwaw in my opinion sfs files linked to a core are the way to go i have played with sfs files and symlinks for a long time you can symlink an sfs file to a root ramdrive then when you want to remove it delete the symlink when you want to remount it make a new symlink ad infinitum no need for a...

hi all

so now we can say that the puppy has grown up and become a dog

wanderer

this also seems to solve the problem of the package manager

just use apt

wanderer

hi all now that it appears everyone has thankfully finally come to their senses i will not be playing with woof-ce ( it is a historically important and interesting exhibit in the museum ) i will be playing with fredx181s debiandog-live trying to make a minimal core that can be added to with sfs file...

and even though i annoyed fredx181

by not asking him first ( for which i humbly apologize )

i think you should take a look at his system

which i know you already have

it could be put on github too

wanderer

bless you dimkr

that is music to my ears

wanderer

hi dimkr my point is you are going to kill yourself with overwork trying to do all the jobs that a hugh team does at debian why not just use a debian base and make it into a "puppy" ok ok i know i cant say puppy why not make it into a small full featured flexibly deployed easily modified d...

fredx181

i stand corrected

wanderer